Question about returning a rifle for repair.

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Sweet William

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I'm going to be returning a Taurus 62 for repair. They guy in customier service said that I can send the whole gun back (it breaks down into two pieces) through UPS with no problem. They also said that they can return it directly to me without going through an FFL. Does anybody know if this is true? Thanks.:confused:
 
Why wouldn't it be true? They're a large firearms company, in the business of shipping and recieving many, many firearms daily. They're not going to advise you to break the law.
 
FFL is needed when there is a transfer of possession. You own/have possession of this firearm already, so no worries.


Have had friends ship firearms to the manufacturer and returned to their homes. No problems at all.
 
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oneounceload said:
the owner has the ability to ship a firearm directly to the manufacturer for repair without using a FFL.

Respectfully, I beg to differ with that statement. By sending the gun to the manufacturer, the owner IS sending the gun to an FFL. If the manufacturer of the gun was not licensed and out of the state, the owner would NOT be able to return the gun to the manufacturer, and, in all likelihood, the manufacturer would be an illegal manufacturer.
 
It's been a few years since I've sent a gun back for repair. Some of the packaging stores were kind of funny for a few years after 9/11 about mailing firearms. That seems to have loosened up a bit. Of course you know that you cannot mail firearms through the Post Office.
One thing that is important (at least to me) is that when UPS brings your gun back they are going to ring the doorbell and then leave it on the front porch whether you are home or not. You might want to have it returned to a house where someone is usually home during the day if this is a problem for you.
 
When I sent one of mine back, I had to go to the big UPS hub because the little stores either couldn't do it or they said they couldn't. I took it to the hub told them what it was and off it went!
 
FFL is needed when there is a transfer of ownership. You own this firearm already, so no worries.

That's true, but when my local gun shop handles a consignment for me, they require a new form 4473 should it not sell, before they'll return it to me. I quess for all practical purposes the law considers it as a transfer, although I still own it. Go figure. That one threw me.
 
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I just shipped a gun through FedEx using one of the mail places. She looked at the box, clearly rifle shaped, and said "is that golf clubs or something?" I said "something" and that was that. It's back from Browning and all is well.
 
Regarding the post office: They won't mail handguns but long guns are allright. FRJ
 
You can send a weapon back o the MFG without FFL. I have done it several times. My only delay was having to go to the local shipping hub. But no problem I pass it every day.
 
Boba Fett:... FFL is needed when there is a transfer of ownership. You own this firearm already, so no worries....

Firearm transfers have nothing to do with ownership. A firearms transfer is for change of possession. You can buy a firearm (you own it) but not be able to take possession.

Example 1:
You purchase a firearm from a seller on this forum or GunBroker. You pay him, he ships to your FFL. Your FFL has you complete a 4473 and calls in a NICS check. You get denied on the NICS check. Although you own the firearm, you cannot take possession.

Example 2:
A family member who lives in a distant state dies, leaving you his firearms in his will. Although the firearms become your property upon his passing, you can't have someone else ship them directly to you in your home state. They would have to be shipped to an FFL in your state AND you get to complete a 4473 and NICS check. If you were to go to your deceased family members state, pack up the guns, you are allowed under Federal law to then ship them directly to your own address.

As always, state laws vary, as do the policies of USPS, FedEx and UPS.


FRJ: Regarding the post office: They won't mail handguns but long guns are allright. FRJ
Firearms dealers are allowed to mail handguns. USPS is the cheapest (by far) to ship a handgun.


wishin: That's true, but when my local gun shop handles a consignment for me, they require a new form 4473 should it not sell, before they'll return it to me. I quess for all practical purposes the law considers it as a transfer, although I still own it. Go figure. That one threw me.

This is because possession of the firearm transfers to the dealer when you took it in for consignment. Any firearm on his licensed premises is required to be logged into his "bound book". When you go to pick up your gun (that didn't sell) you have to do the 4473/NICS check.

There are certain exceptions, such as a firearm left with a gunsmith.
 
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I still don't understand why this is even a question. A legitimate firearms manufacturer HAS AN FFL! FFL merely stands for Federal Firearms License. There are licensed dealers, licensed collectors and licensed manufacturers. When you send the gun to a licensed manufacturer YOU ARE SENDING IT TO AN FFL!
 
I still don't understand why this is even a question

Don't confuse a good thread with your facts..... You know better than that :)

Oh and while you are at it, can you cite me a law that says it's legal? :)
 
No. Because 99% of laws do not define what is legal. 99% of laws specify what is illegal.

Oh I know. That's one of my pet peeves :) I constantly get asked to cite a law when I state something is legal. Always cracks me up.
 
:)You probably wouldn't believe me if I told you that my son has been in the navy for the past 26 years. No hard feelings.
 
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