Question on turn and draw
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Always turn into the gun. Here is the correct method(and a fast one at that)
http://www.andersonshooting.com/images/video/dryelprezfar.mpg
http://www.andersonshooting.com/images/video/dryelprezfar.mpg
far2much4me
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I haven't been able to measure a consistent difference in practice. In matches I plan my turn based on how I intend to engage targets.
I suggest doing some dry-fire drills (and live-fire if you can) in both directions. Do it periodically and see if there is enough difference to really matter.
I suggest doing some dry-fire drills (and live-fire if you can) in both directions. Do it periodically and see if there is enough difference to really matter.
Turn around the gun.
If you get a little too fast while turning opposite the gun its much easier to break the 180.
Also, *if* you shoot left to right, the gun is already swinging that way. No need to stop the gun and start it moving again assuming you are right handed.
However, IDPA/Defensive mantra is to turn opposite the gun to shield it from the threat.
Lastly, always try to remember to tell the RO/SO what way you plan on turning. Anything you can do to make them feel better helps.
If you get a little too fast while turning opposite the gun its much easier to break the 180.
Also, *if* you shoot left to right, the gun is already swinging that way. No need to stop the gun and start it moving again assuming you are right handed.
However, IDPA/Defensive mantra is to turn opposite the gun to shield it from the threat.
Lastly, always try to remember to tell the RO/SO what way you plan on turning. Anything you can do to make them feel better helps.
TonyB
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We have a club rule that you always turn toward the gun...we also make th e ones not shooting move to the opposite side when people are turning...maybe a little overkill on safety,but no one got shot yet 
CZ52GUY
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180 draws
What I was taught was that it was more "tactical" to turn away from the gun so as to keep the strong side hip to the rear (protects the gun some from an advancing threat).
Turning toward the gun side is faster for most shooters and in competition, can be a slight advantage.
I practice both.
When I'm RO'ing the Classifier, I always query the shooter as to their intentions of 180 draw direction and position myself accordingly.
Whichever way you turn, in competition (or for practicing with competition in mind), I'd recommend that you make sure you can see the target before clearing the holster and be muzzle direction aware throughout the exercise.
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
What I was taught was that it was more "tactical" to turn away from the gun so as to keep the strong side hip to the rear (protects the gun some from an advancing threat).
Turning toward the gun side is faster for most shooters and in competition, can be a slight advantage.
I practice both.
When I'm RO'ing the Classifier, I always query the shooter as to their intentions of 180 draw direction and position myself accordingly.
Whichever way you turn, in competition (or for practicing with competition in mind), I'd recommend that you make sure you can see the target before clearing the holster and be muzzle direction aware throughout the exercise.
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
Archie
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In a match setting...
In real life, turning gun away from target makes sense - one shields the weapon from the adversary. Unless there are people on the other side, too. Turning gun to target seems a little quicker.
The problem with turning with the gun away from target in a match is the shooter has a tendency to draw during the turn and sweep the spectators and R.O.
I once ran a stage in a Law Enforcement only match which required turning. (Didn't want to let the shooter get 'set' prior to starting.) For safety reasons, I had people turn with gun toward target.
First Problem: From the crying, wailing and gnashing of teeth, you'd have thought I'd poured tomato paste in their holsters.
Second Problem: About three of ten turned the wrong way anyway. They just could not understand and follow directions.
Third Problem: Those who were penalized for procedure whined and cried about that, including the guy who waved his pistol right past my eyes.
Fourth Problem: The guy who waved his pistol right past my eyes. I didn't wet myself, but I did some deep breathing for a moment.
In real life, turning gun away from target makes sense - one shields the weapon from the adversary. Unless there are people on the other side, too. Turning gun to target seems a little quicker.
The problem with turning with the gun away from target in a match is the shooter has a tendency to draw during the turn and sweep the spectators and R.O.
I once ran a stage in a Law Enforcement only match which required turning. (Didn't want to let the shooter get 'set' prior to starting.) For safety reasons, I had people turn with gun toward target.
First Problem: From the crying, wailing and gnashing of teeth, you'd have thought I'd poured tomato paste in their holsters.
Second Problem: About three of ten turned the wrong way anyway. They just could not understand and follow directions.
Third Problem: Those who were penalized for procedure whined and cried about that, including the guy who waved his pistol right past my eyes.
Fourth Problem: The guy who waved his pistol right past my eyes. I didn't wet myself, but I did some deep breathing for a moment.
peashooter
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In a match setting I have seen guys DQ'd for turning away from the gun and breaking the 180. Of course that is USPSA, not IDPA, where I have seen it happen and nothing more than a lot of Oh
eclipse1
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i always turn toward the gun side
It would seem
To be of greater value to be in a fighting stance when addressing a target, especiallya living one. Strong side, slightly bladed, to rear, also you are prepared to move either direction at that point. Therefore your turn would be less than a full 180, but I guess we all do what works best for us as individuals. To be arbritary, in turning direction, isn't realistic or reasonable. Myself, I turn gun side away from adversary, weak side slightly forward, and use a modified Weaver. This allows you to ward off any close at hand threat, and have handgun in a better protected position. Also the first step in any direction is already made. But, heh, I use cover garment, IWB, carry piece for USPSA. To each, his own.
To be of greater value to be in a fighting stance when addressing a target, especiallya living one. Strong side, slightly bladed, to rear, also you are prepared to move either direction at that point. Therefore your turn would be less than a full 180, but I guess we all do what works best for us as individuals. To be arbritary, in turning direction, isn't realistic or reasonable. Myself, I turn gun side away from adversary, weak side slightly forward, and use a modified Weaver. This allows you to ward off any close at hand threat, and have handgun in a better protected position. Also the first step in any direction is already made. But, heh, I use cover garment, IWB, carry piece for USPSA. To each, his own.
Island Beretta
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as always you practice and see what works best even if you don't like it.. one thing you have to get right on the turn and draw though is the head snap..once that is done correctly then all else falls into place and your body will follow..if you allow it by not trying too hard..
Are you shooting IPSC or IDPA?
I took a competition shooting class this past weekend. The instructor said the turn depends on whether you are shooting IPSC and have an IPSC holster or whether you are shooting IDPA. The difference is the draw. With an IDPA style holter, there is more of an upright motion.
If you are right handed and use an IPSC style rig, follow the video clip posted above.
If you are right handed and shoot IDPA, step forward and spin on your left foot. Make the turn one large/long step.
I took a competition shooting class this past weekend. The instructor said the turn depends on whether you are shooting IPSC and have an IPSC holster or whether you are shooting IDPA. The difference is the draw. With an IDPA style holter, there is more of an upright motion.
If you are right handed and use an IPSC style rig, follow the video clip posted above.
If you are right handed and shoot IDPA, step forward and spin on your left foot. Make the turn one large/long step.
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