coosbaycreep
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I've had a hankering for a .308 lately, and after changing my mind numerous times about what I wanted, due to both gun/magazine cost, and primarily looks, I bought a PTR 91 at the gun show in Portland today. It cost me $1099, which makes it the most expensive gun I've ever bought. If I didn't find one at the show, I planned on getting one off gunbroker for $200-$300 more, so even though I still cringe at the thought of paying that much money for a gun that doesn't even have a grenade launcher or flame thrower attached to it, it could have been worse....I guess.
I didn't do a whole lot of research before deciding on this gun, just enough to know that they're suppose to be a quality reproduction of a combat proven design that's been around a long time. I've also read that a lot of people don't like the ergonomics on them. That was one of the main reasons I wanted to find one in person so I could fondle it awhile instead of just buying online without checking one out first. I got to the table it was at, and since I had ammo in my hand, I just flipped the gun over with my free hand, grunted, and told the dude I'll buy it. Yeah, I know, I'm not the sharpest tool in the tool shed sometimes, but it's the gun I drove 460 miles roundtrip for, and the price was a couple hundred less than I was expecting, so I was happy and jumped on it.
After I got it home just a little while ago, the first thing I did was take it out of the case and point it at various things in my house while making gunshot sound effects. Even though the gun did alright as far as shooting imaginary bullets at things like a box of cereal and an empty Hot Pocket box, I'm now really wishing I would've actually shouldered the gun at the show before forking out a bunch of cash for it. It doesn't balance well at all for me, and even though it has a 16" barrel, it doesn't feel anything like a "carbine". The gun is just really awkward feeling for me.
I should have read up a little bit on how these work too. I had to actually read the manual just to figure out how the hell to charge it, or where the charging handle even was. The safety feels really stiff and clunky. Mag changes seem kinda clunky. Overall, the gun looks well made, but I think the trigger is made out of plastic or something, which doesn't really impress me.
Another thing that is eating at me is that it doesn't look as "cool" as the ones I was looking at online the other day. In fact, this gun is just butt ugly...and odd, really, really odd.
I don't care for the sights on it either.
I'm going to have to actually read through the manual so I can learn more about how it functions, and how to dissasemble it, etc., but now I'm wishing I would've just spent a little more and got a platform that's more familiar to me. The same table had a DSA FAL for about $100 more (never shot/handled/etc one of those either, so it might be just as quirky for all I know), and they also had a 16" M1A for $1599. An M1A was what I originally wanted, but if you factor in the cost of the gun and 10-12 mags, it ends up costing almost twice as much as an ugly, awkward PTR.
So, for my questions: What kind of ammo functions best? Can I just shoot whatever cheap winchester/remington they sell at walmart/bimart? Will hollow points and soft points feed in these guns? What's a good website that has a lot of info on the history/operation of these? I'd be particularly interested in a site that has detailed diagrams/videos or idiot proof instructions on how to field strip this ugly bastard.
Are the steel magazines worth the extra cost over the alloy magazines? Any furniture/slings/etc that fit the G3 will fit this gun as well, right? What about bayonets? I don't see anything that looks like a bayonet lug on my gun. Is this some sort of politically correct, neutered sham of a battle rifle that's not even capable of having a knife attached to it? If so, that's pretty sad, as all proper battle rifles deserve a bayonet.
How about optics? Looking at some websites I see a "claw mount" scope mount and a Hendsolt scope listed for this rifle platform, but it's about $300, which is pretty expensive to me. Are these good scopes, and are they worth the money? Is this the only option for putting a scope on this gun?
What's some common problems with these guns? Is there any spare parts I should stock up on?
Looking through a lot of the older threads on THR about these, most people seem to be getting about 2" groups with them, yet I've read a lot of comments stating that M1As are suppose to be way more accurate than the PTR, even though I've seen a lot of posts were people with non-target model M1As were only getting 2 MOA too. I know AR style rifles are more accurate, but how does the PTR stack up accuracy wise against the M1A, FAL, and saiga?
I don't currently reload, although I'm thinking a lot more about starting. I know these guns are suppose to mangle the brass really bad and throw them a long ways, but that can supposedly be resolved by some kind of buffer thing. Even if I never do start reloading, I'd still prefer to have salvageable brass I could sell or save for the future, considering the cost of .308, but I was curious if this buffer affects reliability in anyway?
thanks
I didn't do a whole lot of research before deciding on this gun, just enough to know that they're suppose to be a quality reproduction of a combat proven design that's been around a long time. I've also read that a lot of people don't like the ergonomics on them. That was one of the main reasons I wanted to find one in person so I could fondle it awhile instead of just buying online without checking one out first. I got to the table it was at, and since I had ammo in my hand, I just flipped the gun over with my free hand, grunted, and told the dude I'll buy it. Yeah, I know, I'm not the sharpest tool in the tool shed sometimes, but it's the gun I drove 460 miles roundtrip for, and the price was a couple hundred less than I was expecting, so I was happy and jumped on it.
After I got it home just a little while ago, the first thing I did was take it out of the case and point it at various things in my house while making gunshot sound effects. Even though the gun did alright as far as shooting imaginary bullets at things like a box of cereal and an empty Hot Pocket box, I'm now really wishing I would've actually shouldered the gun at the show before forking out a bunch of cash for it. It doesn't balance well at all for me, and even though it has a 16" barrel, it doesn't feel anything like a "carbine". The gun is just really awkward feeling for me.
I should have read up a little bit on how these work too. I had to actually read the manual just to figure out how the hell to charge it, or where the charging handle even was. The safety feels really stiff and clunky. Mag changes seem kinda clunky. Overall, the gun looks well made, but I think the trigger is made out of plastic or something, which doesn't really impress me.
Another thing that is eating at me is that it doesn't look as "cool" as the ones I was looking at online the other day. In fact, this gun is just butt ugly...and odd, really, really odd.
I don't care for the sights on it either.
I'm going to have to actually read through the manual so I can learn more about how it functions, and how to dissasemble it, etc., but now I'm wishing I would've just spent a little more and got a platform that's more familiar to me. The same table had a DSA FAL for about $100 more (never shot/handled/etc one of those either, so it might be just as quirky for all I know), and they also had a 16" M1A for $1599. An M1A was what I originally wanted, but if you factor in the cost of the gun and 10-12 mags, it ends up costing almost twice as much as an ugly, awkward PTR.
So, for my questions: What kind of ammo functions best? Can I just shoot whatever cheap winchester/remington they sell at walmart/bimart? Will hollow points and soft points feed in these guns? What's a good website that has a lot of info on the history/operation of these? I'd be particularly interested in a site that has detailed diagrams/videos or idiot proof instructions on how to field strip this ugly bastard.
Are the steel magazines worth the extra cost over the alloy magazines? Any furniture/slings/etc that fit the G3 will fit this gun as well, right? What about bayonets? I don't see anything that looks like a bayonet lug on my gun. Is this some sort of politically correct, neutered sham of a battle rifle that's not even capable of having a knife attached to it? If so, that's pretty sad, as all proper battle rifles deserve a bayonet.
How about optics? Looking at some websites I see a "claw mount" scope mount and a Hendsolt scope listed for this rifle platform, but it's about $300, which is pretty expensive to me. Are these good scopes, and are they worth the money? Is this the only option for putting a scope on this gun?
What's some common problems with these guns? Is there any spare parts I should stock up on?
Looking through a lot of the older threads on THR about these, most people seem to be getting about 2" groups with them, yet I've read a lot of comments stating that M1As are suppose to be way more accurate than the PTR, even though I've seen a lot of posts were people with non-target model M1As were only getting 2 MOA too. I know AR style rifles are more accurate, but how does the PTR stack up accuracy wise against the M1A, FAL, and saiga?
I don't currently reload, although I'm thinking a lot more about starting. I know these guns are suppose to mangle the brass really bad and throw them a long ways, but that can supposedly be resolved by some kind of buffer thing. Even if I never do start reloading, I'd still prefer to have salvageable brass I could sell or save for the future, considering the cost of .308, but I was curious if this buffer affects reliability in anyway?
thanks