Quick Question: S&W Shield 9mm. Approved for California?
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It is on the present roster but the Internet Scoop is that S&W will not renew any of their listings.
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp
http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp
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And if it is still okay to sell to California, . . . does it cost more to ship there?
Kind of on the fence with this. Almost would rather state that I won't sell to CA. Probably should have put that in the description. If you don't sell to CA, tell me why. Include what other states you won't sell to as well. Thanks!
Kind of on the fence with this. Almost would rather state that I won't sell to CA. Probably should have put that in the description. If you don't sell to CA, tell me why. Include what other states you won't sell to as well. Thanks!
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There are two CA specific S&W M&P Shield that is currently on the CA DOJ Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale.
S&W M&P-9 Shield (SKU 187021) expires on 07-02-2014
S&W M&P-40 Shield (SKU 187020) expires on 09-10-2014
However, S&W has not produced the CA specific M&P Shields in any quantity.
S&W M&P-9 Shield (SKU 187021) expires on 07-02-2014
S&W M&P-40 Shield (SKU 187020) expires on 09-10-2014
However, S&W has not produced the CA specific M&P Shields in any quantity.
I've only seen 2.Quiet said:
They were both at Apex Tactical and they had the CA compliant slides
It isn't quite a simple as that. I've seen a number of non-CA Shields in the state, that were purchased and legally imported through the Single Shot Exemption to the roster. Since your buyer will have to have the gun transferred through an CA FFL anyway, because it is crossing state lines, he'll have that done before he'll be allowed to take possession of it.Orion8472 said:
You don't have to sell it if you don't want to, but don't use the excuse that it is illegal to justify your decision
Look at the box - if it's a M&P9 Shield (Blk) SKU 187021, it's good to go to CA. ANY other SKU number is not on the roster, and will have to go SSE. As a seller, I would not hassle with it if it's not a 187021.
There are Shields here that were originally purchased by LEOs, who are exempt. I own one of them.
There are Shields here that were originally purchased by LEOs, who are exempt. I own one of them.
The gun gets modded to meet the requirements - usually a 6" barrel and a magazine block. This makes it a single shot target pistol for transfer purposes. These parts remain in the gun for the transfer waiting period, and after the transfer is finalized the new owner will usually (always!) return the gun to original condition. Dealers that specialize in this practice "rent" the parts to make the initial conversion, then return your deposit when you return the parts. Many FFLs won't touch SSE guns.
Eventually some legislator will wise up and close the loophole by adding that once a gun is transferred under a SSE, it must remain a single shot with a long barrel.
The other way around the roster is to buy one from a LEO who decided thay didn't like the off-roster gun they bought. Some LE agencies are cracking down on that, others aren't.
Eventually some legislator will wise up and close the loophole by adding that once a gun is transferred under a SSE, it must remain a single shot with a long barrel.
The other way around the roster is to buy one from a LEO who decided thay didn't like the off-roster gun they bought. Some LE agencies are cracking down on that, others aren't.
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Last year, legislation to do that passed the legislature but was vetoed by Governor Brown.Teachu2 said:
Yep - and he vetoed the AR-15 ban as well. Who'da ever thought old Moonbeam would veto anti-gun laws? And be fiscally responsible? He's more conservative than Ahnold was!
None of the states should be, but it is your choice to restrict firearms sales however you'd like
Indeed it is, and while this may cause difficulties for residents living in politically leftist states such as California, New York and of course others; it is understandable that those selling guns – both commercially and privately – are apprehensive about what they can or can’t legally do. It can be safely said that the authorities in these states are determined to block the importation of firearms as much as they can, and that makes non-resident sellers the peanut butter in a sandwich that isn’t of they’re own making. This is the reason that many of them would prefer to sell elsewhere, or at the least try to get informed information before they stick their neck out.
Those who live in “blue” states or cities should keep in mind that in this situation the villain isn’t out-of-state sellers, but rather they’re own government.
I'd check MA and NY.
I don't think that there is any confusion about what the government is trying to do. The common objection is that sellers are buying into the intended perception of the restrictions that CA DOJ is putting out rather than supporting fellow gun owners, in states with such restrictions, but who are taking advantage of the law as it is written.
The bottom line is that the seller isn't at risk. He is sending it to a FFL in CA, who will determine if the pistol is on the the roster, if it qualifies for an exemption (there are several), or if it needs to be brought into compliance to meet an exemption. It is the responsibility of that FFL to insure that an illegal gun isn't imported.
If the gun is not legal for importation or can not be brought into compliance, it will be shipped back to the seller...who will already have his money from the sale
In post #7 you sort of mudded the water with a Single Shot Exemption (what ever that is), and most of us outside of California don't have a clue.
Post #19 is much better, and clears up at least some of the confusion - although it still isn't clear what the exemption is, but apparently it may not matter.
For most of us, California is a long, black tunnel, with no light at the end. Maybe if potential buyers go to the trouble you did in your last post (#19) they will have better luck. It still isn't the out-of-state seller's responsibility to know the ins and outs of California's ever changing statutes.
Post #19 is much better, and clears up at least some of the confusion - although it still isn't clear what the exemption is, but apparently it may not matter.
For most of us, California is a long, black tunnel, with no light at the end. Maybe if potential buyers go to the trouble you did in your last post (#19) they will have better luck. It still isn't the out-of-state seller's responsibility to know the ins and outs of California's ever changing statutes.
Perhaps it is that I spend a lot of time explaining and dealing with these issues that I take some things for granted. I just read, on another forum, this morning, that it is the difference between the spirit of a law and the letter.
The spirit of the law is to deprive legally eligible people of handguns under the guise of safety. The letter of the law is what is enforceable. As believers in the 2nd Amendment, it is our job to defend whatever rights we have by working around those laws without violating the letter. One of the ways is by looking at exemptions written into those laws.
What becomes frustrating is when people believe the spirit and chose to ignore the letter of the law. This isn't to say that we would force anyone to help us in our fight, but please don't believe that things are illegal just because CA DOJ says it is. It is like many people believing that possession of magazines which hold more than 10 rounds is illegal in CA...it isn't and never has been (the governor just refused to sign a bill that would have made it illegal)
The Single Shot Exemption is exactly what it sounds like. It allows the importation of an gun, within size restrictions, that is single shot or converted to single shot for importation. There is also a Single Action Exemption that allows importation of guns converted to a SA configuration. There is even an exemption for Olympic style competition guns, guns inherited, guns gifted by fathers/mothers/grandparents . None of these guns need to be on the roster.
The spirit of the law is to deprive legally eligible people of handguns under the guise of safety. The letter of the law is what is enforceable. As believers in the 2nd Amendment, it is our job to defend whatever rights we have by working around those laws without violating the letter. One of the ways is by looking at exemptions written into those laws.
What becomes frustrating is when people believe the spirit and chose to ignore the letter of the law. This isn't to say that we would force anyone to help us in our fight, but please don't believe that things are illegal just because CA DOJ says it is. It is like many people believing that possession of magazines which hold more than 10 rounds is illegal in CA...it isn't and never has been (the governor just refused to sign a bill that would have made it illegal)
The Single Shot Exemption is exactly what it sounds like. It allows the importation of an gun, within size restrictions, that is single shot or converted to single shot for importation. There is also a Single Action Exemption that allows importation of guns converted to a SA configuration. There is even an exemption for Olympic style competition guns, guns inherited, guns gifted by fathers/mothers/grandparents . None of these guns need to be on the roster.
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