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Thinking about getting a Remington R-51 as a carry gun. I've read both good and bad articles. Does anybody have any actual experience with one? Any problems with reliability or conceal carrying it? I have heard that all the bugs have been worked out, but ......
 
^ +1.

I'd certainly hold off getting one for now. Remington says they will begin a new production in October and that it will be better. Hopefully this is true!
 
I'm betting that opinions and advice will be pretty unanimous....

At best, I would wait until the 2nd gen is out for at least a year or two. I personally like different designs ,so was fascinated by the R51 when it first came out.....now, I'll be waiting a good , long time to see how it pans out before I get one......

Too bad Remington screwed this up so badly....it was as if this was the first gun that they had ever produced....... I can't imagine how much money was lost on this fiasco.
 
I'm betting that opinions and advice will be pretty unanimous....

At best, I would wait until the 2nd gen is out for at least a year or two. I personally like different designs ,so was fascinated by the R51 when it first came out.....now, I'll be waiting a good , long time to see how it pans out before I get one......

Too bad Remington screwed this up so badly....it was as if this was the first gun that they had ever produced....... I can't imagine how much money was lost on this fiasco.
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The R51 fits my hand GREAT. It points VERY well. It looks space-agey neat.
And, it is a flawed consumer product.
There are reports of it being unreliable. Some of the individual guns have obvious flaws, like sights that move in the dovetail with a push of the finger.
A chamber not milled deep enough.
Remington says they're coming out with R-51 2.0 later this fall.
At the very least I would wait until that version comes out, but if you really want a gun now I'd just forgo the R51 and buy a known reliable gun.
 
The chambers actually seem to be consistently bad. I'd wait, but be prepared to be disappointed. As bad as the first run was, I doubt Remington can repeat the project, with new staff, at a new site, any better. Be prepared to buy a Gen 1 if you want one, but wait for them to show their hand. Think of the gun as an Ural motorcycle; you are likely going to have to exert some effort to make sure the gun works, and to keep it that way. You need to make sure at time of sale that nothing is amiss, and educate yourself about potential problems & what to look for.

That said, I really like my gun, but have no illusions about its quality. The design is solid, we just need manufacturer.

TCB
 
A second and important consideration is that Remington support is really very very bad.
I speak from experience since last March when I bought my R-51.

Mine would feed and fire reliably with an assortment of ammo, but had other serious problems, like the rear sight being loose in the mis-cut dovetail and more.

The last I read is that Remington has anounced, that pistols that have been returned for warranty work will be replaced with new pistols in October when the new plant is "scheduled" to be back in business.


I had to "read" this because Remington does not communicate with R-51 owners that have sent their pistols back under warranty other than repeated statements of : " Your pistol should be returned to you within 4-6 weeks". X 3
 
Wait!

Remington has just announced cessation of manufacture until they get some bugs worked out and a commitment to replace all currently purchased R-51' by October 2014.
http://gunssavelives.net/gun-industry/breaking-remington-announces-they-will-replace-r51-pistols-with-new-production-models/?utm_source=Guns+Save+Lives+Daily+Mailing+List&utm_campaign=92eb5563a1-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_eaeaa815c4-92eb5563a1-65817721

BREAKING: Remington Announces They Will Replace R51 Pistols With New Production Models
July 25 2014
by Dan Cannon
 
I love how no one has a link to an actual source about that announcement...

TCB
 
Same here. Remington continues to be out of touch with their customers. All they seem to know is advertising or marketing.
 
An r51 first gen may be the collector gun of the future. Like a dollar bill printed with a folded corner or a quarter struck way off center. You know, something so bad at it's designated purpose, it's good.
 
An r51 first gen may be the collector gun of the future. Like a dollar bill printed with a folded corner or a quarter struck way off center. You know, something so bad at it's designated purpose, it's good.
Think Rogak.
 
Wally, he said a "good" article, not a "positive" one. There's actually a dearth of good articles out there, I suggest RyeOnHam's for one (youtube) because he gives the run down on differences from the original 51, and a nice step by step of how everything works inside and outside. Sadly, his gun was felled by a poorly cut chamber (I'd bet money on it) and had a semi-out of battery event which prompted him to send the gun back (this seems to have happened to almost anyone who shot a wide enough variety of ammo through the guns, implying the bad chambers are ubiquitous)

My "R51 Explained" review and others were actually largely positive, but with a very critical eye, since I wanted others to know what they were getting into, and hopefully so they would know what to look for, avoid, or even fix in getting one for themselves. Some folks focus on the "was there anything bad" part of the reviews, but that's only part of it. I still think the original TTAG review is deeply flawed, missing almost every legitimate/repeatable problem the guns have been found to have, and faulting it enormously for very questionable or subjective reasons --then justifying it after the fact by saying others had problems that weren't mentioned. That's a "bad review" that is also bad itself (uninformative).

TCB
 
TTAG was clearly miffed that they were not invited to original GunSite event. I appreciate their reviews but it is plain from the snarky words he used that they were offended. My guess is if they had gone their review would have been balanced and better but only because they would have been shooting a functioning R51.
 
WOW!! Thanks, I think I will pass.
I own one of these things, R51's that is, and plan to keep it and or get the replacement from Remington. I happen to like the gun because of the size, low recoil, and the Pedersen action.

Would I suggest them to someone interested in a carry gun?? NO, not with so many other proven options.
 
An r51 first gen may be the collector gun of the future. Like a dollar bill printed with a folded corner or a quarter struck way off center. You know, something so bad at it's designated purpose, it's good.

Not if the gun looks exactly the same. What's a future seller gonna say?

Seller: This is one of the earlier R51's and it rare.

Prospective Buyer: Why is it rare? It looks just like any other R51 out there.

Seller: Well, it's rare because the 1st gen R51's didn't work well and had a bunch of problems. Remington only made XX,XXX of these.

Prospective Buyer: So, it's rare because it doesn't work right but looks exactly like the R51's being sold?

Seller: Exactly!
 
As a shooter, no one will probably want an original R51, particularly if Remington re-introduces the pistol.

But, folks collect just about everything these days for all sorts of reasons..

For example, no Irwin-Pedersen 30 cal M1 carbines passed the Ordinance Department's inspections but yet they command obscene prices these days due to their rarity. Irwin Pedersen ultimate lost their contract.
 
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