Rainier and Berry's 185 FP

[robhasxj]

I searched but I never really found an answer. My question is, can I use Rainier's load data for Berry's bullets? i've loaded about 1000 Rainier 185 gr fp with 4.5 gr bullseye and that works great for me. I just bought 500 of berry's 185gr fp. Can i use the same powder charge? I assumed I could when i purchased berry's, but then i got thinking. can similar plated bullets share the same powder charge?

my plan was to start cranking them out with 4.5 grains of bullseye, now i think i'll make up a few test loads and see how it goes. any advice?

Thanks,
Rob

 

[rcmodel]

Yes.
You can use the same load data.

However, your plan to make up some test loads is always a good idea anytime you change bullets.

I would not be at all concerned about pressure changes, but you want to insure feeding & functioning with the probable slightly different bullet shape.


rcmodel

 

[Wibb]

Just don't make them too hot. With plated bullets like the Berry bullets, high velocities will cause the bullet to "separate" after exiting the barrel. Stay below the extreme velocities and the loads should be similar.

 

[Walkalong]

The plated bullets will not "fragment". They can skid and tumble from not being stabilized, and sometimes shed a bit of plating if driven too fast. This will not happen at .45 ACP velocities.

Plated bullets work great in the .45. I especially like the Berry's 185 Gr SWC & Gr 200 HP, as well as the Ranier Gr 200 SWC.

Welcome to THR

 

[Wibb]

Straight from BERRY Manufacturing's Site:

*Is separation a problem with Plated Bullets?
Separation is very rare. Two things can cause a jacket to separate from the lead core: excessive speeds (magnum velocities) and a real tight roll crimp (cuts through the plating). If you'll keep these two items in check you shouldn't have a problem with bullet separation.

Maybe I should have said separate. In my mind that was what I was thinking. Just because I have 10 posts doesn't mean I've never loaded a bullet. I've been lurking for years.

 

[Walkalong]

If you are not going to choose words more carefully, don't be so sensitive. I hope I did not offend. My apologies..

 

[rcmodel]

Heck, he said he was loading 4.5 grains of Bullseye in his first post.

I don't think bullets flying apart in the air due to excess velocity is gonna be a problem for him.


rcmodel

 

[345 DeSoto]

Along the same lines, would one be able to use the Stats for a 185 gr SWC Rainer and/or Berry's plated bullet to load 185 HBRN Berry's?...

 

[Walkalong]

The Berry's HBRN needs a bit more powder than the Berry's 185 Gr SWC. .1 or .2 grs more depending on burn speed.

 

[rcmodel]

Yes.

Your 4.5 grain Bullseye/185 grain bullet load is a starting load with lead bullets, and below a starting load with jacketed bullets in some manuals.

Bullet shape will have no noticable effect at those pressure levels, as long as they will still operate the action.


rcmodel

 

[Wibb]

If you are not going to choose words more carefully, don't be so sensitive. I hope I did not offend. My apologies..

I believe your sarcasm is deeper than your pool of knowledge...
I hope I did not offend.


I was simply offering up a word of caution. I remember when I started reloading, and it was nice when people gave me a heads up. I read his load, and I have loaded both of the bullets he is referring to. I was just being polite.

 

[345 DeSoto]

WIBB,
With that attitude, I don't believe you're going to get far on this Forum/Web Site...especially with Senior Members that have been expertly answering questions for years. Sarcasm has no place at all on this Site. If you've been "lurking for years", you should know that...

Walkalong/rcmodel,
Thanks for the info on the loading for the HBRN. It added another good tip on loading for them...

 

[CBS220]

I believe your sarcasm is deeper than your pool of knowledge...
I hope I did not offend.

That was inappropriate.

 

[robhasxj]

Thanks for all the info everyone!
I've been shooting rainiers for awhile now, but i was at Cabellas the other day and decided to try out berry's. you're probably right, rcmodel. it never hurts to try out a few different loads. i'll probably put some together tonight and test them.
Once again, thanks everyone! this is a great sight.
Regards,
Rob