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Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 12:08 a.m. Pacific

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Sea-Tac refuses random car searches; legality of federal directive questioned

By Sara Kehaulani Goo and Carrie Johnson
The Washington Post

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First, air travelers had to submit to an electronic wand waved over the body. Then they were asked to remove their shoes. After that, their checked luggage was opened and searched. Now, with the nation under a Code Orange alert, police are pulling over drivers as they approach airport terminals for random searches of their vehicles.

The searches at airports across the nation have met resistance in some cities as airport managers assess their legality. The measures, ordered by the federal agency in charge of airport security, have drawn criticism from civil-liberties groups and prompted legal scholars to question whether random searches imposed by the federal government violated states' rights.

At least one major airport, Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, said it would not comply with the directive because it ran counter to state laws prohibiting police from searching a vehicle without a specific reason.

"We can't just stop everybody, or stop every third car or every blue car," said airport spokesman Bob Parker.

The Transportation Security Administration instructed local police on Feb. 8 to begin the searches "in response to threats and intelligence information" it received. In the past, the agency has required some airports to search vehicles at parking lots or garages near terminals, but it has never ordered random checks at arrival and departure curbs.

Some airport managers balked at following the directive until the TSA clarified the legal issues. In its defense, the agency pointed to several cases in which federal courts ruled that vehicles could be searched for reasons of public safety.

"We have legal standing to do this and do it in a constitutional manner," said TSA spokesman Robert Johnson. "Where there is a conflict, we'll work through that with local jurisdictions."

Now, police at most airports are randomly inspecting cars and trucks that drop off or pick up passengers. They also are searching delivery trucks and other vehicles entering the airport.

Police at Harrisburg International Airport in Pennsylvania have been sweetening the inspections by passing out lollipops to targeted drivers. "It's so we don't intimidate," said Alfred Testa Jr., the airport's aviation director. "The policemen are very polite. They will have a smile on their face."

At some airports, such as Los Angeles International and Dallas-Fort Worth International, police have set up a presence similar to a sobriety checkpoint or a border crossing, where tens of thousands of drivers are told to slow down and police visually inspect cars, waving some through and motioning others to pull over for a search.

Constitutional experts said the TSA could face a fight over the new rules. "There is a serious constitutional question about whether the federal government can direct local law-enforcement agencies to do anything," said Georgetown University law professor Mark Tushnet.

The American Civil Liberties Union said airport officials in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and San Francisco contacted their local ACLU chapters with questions about the policy.

Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport stopped the inspections for several days last week, then resumed them after posting signs warning drivers that they might be searched. Most airports have posted similar signs.

The ACLU asked to meet with federal security officials to discuss the directive, but has not received a response.

"Like many airport authorities, we are struggling to understand what TSA has in mind, how it will operate and whether it will work," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's Technology and Liberty Project. "We have lots of questions about whether these measures are going to be effective. ... Flailing around is not good security."

How airports conduct the searches could have a strong bearing on whether they are ultimately deemed legal — a question that remained up in the air yesterday, according to airport executives and lawyers familiar with the issue.

Legal scholars likened the TSA directive to instances where police have erected roadblocks to combat drunken driving or the smuggling of illegal aliens. Such moves typically are legal, as long as they are designed to promote public safety rather than to nab a specific criminal, Tushnet said.

In similar cases dating to the 1970s, the Supreme Court has encouraged government officials to give people an alternative to vehicle checkpoints and urged police officers to perform searches that are not overly invasive, legal experts said. To comply, most airports have set up the inspection sites far enough away from the terminal so that drivers could decide to turn around and leave before entering the terminal area.

Important legal considerations include whether every driver will be stopped at a checkpoint or whether some will be selected at random, which potentially raises concerns about security officers improperly targeting drivers based on their race or religion, Steinhardt said.

Another open issue is whether drivers will be ordered to get out of their vehicles or will merely be asked a few simple questions about the cargo they are carrying. If police find evidence of a crime in the course of their search, it is generally admissible in court.

"The searches have to be standardized and minimally intrusive," said Washington law professor David Cole. "On the other hand, there's a very strong safety interest at play. People who want to wreak havoc with the airlines could attack outside rather than on the plane."


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At BNA (Nashville International Airport), it is illegal to have a firearm within 300 feet of the terminal. I did not let that bother me when I dropped people before, but with random searches, I really do not know what I'll do.

I'm really getting tired of this!
:banghead:
 
The TSA wants an environment similar to a cross between Stalins USSR and Hitlers Germany.

Until the USA seals its borders, drives out all of the illegals and makes a serious effort to protect the country, all of this TSA nonsense is just a quick erosion of your God given rights as an American Citizen.

I don't generally like the ACLU, but in some instances they actually do good work. Just saying that is a major indictment of the state of affairs today.
 
So much for the 4th and 10th Amendments. However, we already knew this, and more, is coming.

Anyone know what TSA's reasoning is on getting past the warrant requirement? My parents live near (1 mile) away from an major airport. How long before the federales can search their home randomly and without finding of probable cause by a N & D magistrate?
 
I had my trunk "searched" at Kansas City Intl Airport. All it was was a quick peek into my trunk. Nothing found, on your way!!

Of course, there was a 3 foot long footlocker, closed, which is probably large enough to hold a suitcase nuke, but no, I wasn't asked to open it.

I mean, what do they expect? Do they think they will open the trunk and find 3 terrorists crammed in there, smiling, saying "uh, hi there!"???:cuss:
 
Last Saturday night while on our way home from the Farm Machinery show in Louisville Ky, I noticed that there was one of these checks set up on the highway leading into the airport. They even had a big highway sign sitting there telling you that you were approaching the checkpoint.
 
Police at Harrisburg International Airport in Pennsylvania have been sweetening the inspections by passing out lollipops to targeted drivers. "It's so we don't intimidate," said Alfred Testa Jr., the airport's aviation director. "The policemen are very polite. They will have a smile on their face."

I'm sorry people, but I suffered a shift in space-time and am hearing the theme from The Twilight Zone in the background.

You have got to <multiple expletives deleted>!

LOLLIPOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! “Here, we’re going to use the Constitution and BoR as toilet paper and to make you feel better about it, please enjoy this lollipop, compliments of your tax-payer supported police state. Have a nice day!â€

I think I'm going to go cry now. This country is doomed. Doomed not only as a nation but also doomed to be the total laughing stock of this Quadrant of the galaxy.
 
This makes me sick. I was at the airport this weekend (on a flight) and I had decided that I was not going to consent to a search. I would not have resisted, but I was going to make it perfectly clear that if they proceeded it was going to be without my consent. Then I was going to call a lawyer. Thankfully, I wasn't even slowed....
 
Police at Harrisburg International Airport in Pennsylvania have been sweetening the inspections by passing out lollipops to targeted drivers. "It's so we don't intimidate," said Alfred Testa Jr., the airport's aviation director. "The policemen are very polite. They will have a smile on their face."

KY jelly seems more appropriate to the situation. :fire:
 
The Knoxville airport had the checkpoint in place on Tuesday evening.

New York's Laguardia did not have a checkpoint in place on Tuesday afternoon.

Which one is more likely to be a target of terrorism?
 
Haven't heard of a checkpoint here -yet. LR Nat'l. Keeping tabs,see the UPS distribution is near, gunsmith ships and receives from the Dist. center.

IMAX theater is also en-route, invited to attend a showing. I have not flown in a while and have decided to just drive...gunsmith and I figure one of us out of our pro-gun group carrying CCW will get 'searched'...matter of time...lawyers # in wallet. This airport and neighborhood NOT a place to be unarmed!

Argghh, have to frequent roads nearby in the dailey conducting of business, and I/we the BG's?? Sorry--gonna carry CCW anyway.
 
I heard about this issue on the radio this morning on my way to work.

In a recent thread, Seattle was getting hammered for its liberal climate. Now it seems that this liberal berg is the only place with the cajones to say no to unconstitutional searches. Go figure.
 
I understand that I can't go into most areas of an airport with my CCW, but does the law apply to a drive through where you just drop someone off and do not even exit the vehicle? I have already vowed to not fly again until they drop most of the intrusive searches. Do I now have to avoid the property altogether? I would rather take my chances with the terrorists than to put up with this as a way of life. :banghead: :fire:
 
The Minneapolis-St. Paul airport started the random searches, but then stopped, fearing their legality. Now, they've resumed, but a sign warns all drivers that they could be subject to search. By continuing onto the airport property, you have given your consent.

It would be interesting to do a 'drive through' with several legally-transported firearms, and hope for a search. Best case is if you have absolutely no concern for time, and can spend all day. Don't do it if you actually need to catch a flight or pick up a passenger.

JB
 
Until the USA seals its borders, drives out all of the illegals and makes a serious effort to protect the country, all of this TSA nonsense is just a quick erosion of your God given rights as an American Citizen."


True and for me I have stopped flying
commerical, the rudeness and loss of
any freedom has caused me to reject
this form of travel, will they miss my
small amount of money, no, but in time
perhaps if enough people do the same.??
 
Couple of months ago I took my wife to airport, and since my range is only a couple of miles away, and the wife is gone,it was time to load up the whole arsenal into the trunk. You should of seen the look on the rent a cops face when I opened up the trunk! He was pretty cool after the initial shock of seeing enough fire power to hold the airport hostage for weeks. Told him I'm going to the range and this was just a few of my guns, and since everything is legal there should'nt be a problem. I did notice a couple of real cops were paying attention when wifey got out of the car.:D
 
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