Range report for my new M1 Carbine!

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I would like to start by saying I absolutely love this rifle! It was worth every penny. (The wife would disagree) It is an absolute dream to choot.
I would also like to note that today (the day I went to the range) there were gusts of winds up to 50 mph. I did not have any type of reliable bench. I was simply placing the gun on the table and using the magazine and my forearm to stabilize the rifle.
At first (50 yards) I could not even hit paper, as the rifle was not sighted in. I eventually took it to 15 feet to figure out where it was, and get on center. So in the first post are just a few pics of what I was using and the gun itself at the range.
 

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Once i finally had the sights centered, I took the rifle out to 100 yards. Keep in mind, this shooting was not done with any type of bona-fide bench, as I was using the magazine and my forward arm to stabilize. Now I generally consider myself to be a pretty good rifle shooter. I found it difficult to be on the center of the target from this distance, because the front aperture took up both targets you see listed here.
I had shot 3-3 round groupings, and this is what I came up with.
I have no doubt in a combat situation, you could consistently hit a torso sized target from 100 yards.
I do find it impressive that people have claimed 1-2" groups with this rifle from this distance. Maybe I'll get a real bench and try again for tighter groupings.
 

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Here I have my 50 yard groupings. I did the same thing as for the 100 yards, 3-3 shot groupings. I was much more happy with this. (clearly)
From 50 yards, I could actually see the center of the target.
 

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This is the ammo I was using. This was one of my few selections from the LGS. He had said it was Winchester. Can anyone here verify this? I just wanted to be sure it is NOT corrosive. (JUST TO BE SAFE)
 

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I did not have any serious malfunctions. There we no FTE's. I am thinking the recoil spring may be weakened though, because on numerous occasions, the rifle failed to fully put the next round into battery. I had to slam the slide forward when this happened. Can anyone offer insight about this?

Overall, it was a good day at the range, and I am very happy to have added this rifle to my arsenal. I can understand why this is a sought after rifle.
 
W-W is Winchester. (Winchester-Western) that ammo is fine.

Don't be afraid of corrosive ammunition. Those Mosins people love have survived on it pretty good. People get way too panicked over corrosive primers and/or ammo, it is not like the gun will fall apart after a day or two.

Take care of your gun and clean it after your range time and you will have no issue with whatever ammo it shoots.
 
The .30 carbine ammo, at least in the US, has always been loaded with non-corrosive primers.

Carbines are fun. When you are ready to consider scoping it, consider the Ultimak barrel mounted rail for a long eye relief scope. It can really help.
 
Nice. Try not to use your magazine for a mono pod though.

You might want to go on you tube and put M-1 carbine at 300 yards in the search just for giggles.

The old FM field manual on the carbines listed the max effective range as 275 yards and had discriptions of range courses to that range for qualification of carbine armed troops. This means the US Army thought the AVERAGE trained Carbine shooter with the AVERAGE carbine could get 50 percent or more hits on the kneeling man target when shooting at that known range with proper sight settings.

I like that ammo and I think CMP mentioned it as being good for reloading.

I am serious about going to the CMP site and reading the stuff on shooting the M-1 Carbine. For instance, how you assemble your rifle after cleaning can make a big difference in accuracy.

Keep in mind CMP, as the old DCM, did not just sell Carbines to the public, they also sponsored Clubs that had programs dedicated to teaching youth to shoot the carbine at 100 yards in the past. They put some effort into figuring out how to make carbines shoot well so kids would have a good experience.

DCM was the government response to the need to nationalize military training.

Earlier the NRA was founded by some Civil War Union Officers as a private group to provide training so that when called to militia service young men could be already trained in marksmanship.....a skill sadly lacking among most Union consripts and many militia units.

After the Mann act that established the modern national guard as a federally trained force, the Director of Civilian Marksmanship was established to train folks pre induction. Surplus rifles and ammunition were sold to individuals and clubs not to raise money, but to provide equipment for training. Some rifles were dispensed by the NRA at low cost until complaints from non members stopped that. I believe a fair number of carbines were let out to the public through that program as were 1903, 1903A3 rifles and believe it or don't 1911A1 pistols.

A good many M-1 carbines ( so not all were converted to M2 carbines even then) were sent to US law enforcement agencies basically at cost of paperwork and shipping in the early and mid 1960's with many ending up considered the personal property of individual LEOs and so entered the civilian market. I got my first Carbine on long term loan from the local PD department for working on the other 14 they got to get them cleaned and ready to use. I think if a 14 year old took an M-1 carbine he got even from the local police to school today bad things would happen. BTW old Chief died and new chief in inventorying things found one carbine "missing" or at least un accounted for. The other 14 had all been properly papered to auxillerymen as personal weapons and written off the books , but one had been just given to some kid.......so while I was over seas in the Army the new Chief called Dad and had him turn it in. No, I was not pleased. Yes it sat in the new Cheifs office for years just looking neat behind his desk.....grrr....and Dad better be darn sure everyone understands I get his from that batch when he leaves us. Being the second best of that batch of guns it is nice.....the best of the bunch was mine.

My current carbine is "Mmmpf" average and cost me what I thought a lot at the time.

Before DCM was post officed into not being federally funded and run any more many studies indicated it was the MOST successful recruiting tool available for the armed forces as well, that is most cost efficient.

Enjoy your little bit of American history.

-kBob
 
As I was putting the carbine into the safe, I noticed the rear sight fixture can move to the side and back a little by touching iT. What can be done to set that in there tightly?
 
What is moving?

The actual sight base with the protective ears?

The elevation ramp that has the elevation screw going through it?

The peep aperature it self?

A teenie tiny bit of movement of the last two is not uncommon and in a 3-4 MOA gun makes little difference.

-kBob
 
They were originally pressed tightly in place, then staked with a center-punch.
If you move the windage all the way to the left you should be able to see the stake marks.
So, you can try to re-stake it.

Or, you can try this to tighten the dovetail and then re-stake it..
http://i40.tinypic.com/n55377.jpg

Or safer, and probably just as good.
1. Tap it over to the side.
2. Apply Blue Lock-Tight to the dovetail, and tap it back centered again.
3. Let it cure 24 hours before shooting it.

rc
 
Thanks.
So based on standards, what should my accuracy be with this rifle?
are those 50 and 100 yd shots relatively decent?
 
4 MOA. Any better than that and you have an exceptional rifle. I have one that is about 4 MOA with a well used barrel and one that is about 3 MOA with a better barrel.
 
The M1 carbine is a good rifle that holds up even against the AR-15 for social work 200 yards on in, which is 99.99% of any social work needed.
 
4 MOA. Any better than that and you have an exceptional rifle. I have one that is about 4 MOA with a well used barrel and one that is about 3 MOA with a better barrel.

I found a big difference between ball loads and handloads with 110 Sierra RN.
 
I have a .30 carbine, too. Mine is an Inland, 1944 receiver. It was arsenal refurbished before my dad got it from the N.R.A. I think he paid $49.00 for it and it was shipped to the house. :cool: It has a bayonet mount and adjustable peep sights. Little rifle shoots good, is reliable, accurate enough, and down right fun! I think you will enjoy it for years.

Mark

ps: don't let your wife shoot it...it'll be hers! :D
 
And are barrels sometime that can be switched out easily? Is the barrel the main factor in accuracy?
 
most folks don't bother with the small decimal places so an inch at 100 yards/meters is considered a minute of angle.

2 inches at 50 meters would be 4 inches at 100 meters so yes 4 MOA.

Consider for a moment that a 2 inch group at 50 meters means the gun is capable of 12 inch groups at 300 meters, which is the longest range listed on your sights and that a military kneeling man target is 18 inches across and 30 inches high to the shoulders plus the head.

4 MOA will allow it to do what it was designed for.

Look around at some of the groups folks are posting for various 9x19mm carbines and you will see that for this sort of gun that ain't bad.

Changing barrels on a carbine is for sure real live experienced in doing so gun smith work. There are new made commercial barrels out there.

There may be a few of the Israeli barrels floating around (when their carbines used by police got long in the tooth they tried to rebarrel them rather than transitioning police to ARs etc......say what does it say that the national police in the country that created the UZI was still using old US m-1 carbines as police weapons more than 30 years after the UZI was fielded and while the UZI was being replacesdin military service with rifles?

Someone things they are powerful and accurate enough , eh?

-kBob
 
From only shooting 100 rds through this gun, it's is near the top of fun guns I have shot and if the barrel does go bad, I'd like to think it can be replaced.

I really hope that the 600,000 in Korea get approved to come back to the stated because you better believe I'd be buying another
 
Your gun is shooting about as well as most Carbines shoot. I wouldn't change anything. I would restake the sight base.
There are some good tips on the CMP website for the Carbines.
Don't attempt a trigger job. They are what they are.
I'm not aware of any corrosive Carbine ammo. You can put it away dirty if you want.
 
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