Owen Sparks
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The only way this rule is legally binding is that you knowingly agree to it as a condition of using the range. They can't just spring it on you as a surprise after you have paid to shoot.
range won't let me keep my own brass!?
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I decided I won't be going back there. I'm starting to get to know the guys and gal work at the other nearby range (Bills) and they treat customers right, cheaper and its a far nicer shooting range. They also have a indoor rifle range which the other one doesn't. I picked up a token bag today, its 10 range tokens for $150. Each token you get unlimited time on either a pistol or rifle range abd you can KEEP YOUR OWN BRASS!!! I like it so much there I bought a new Kimber Custom Crimson Carry II from them today and I'm going back tomorrow to order a Kimber Solo CDP for when kimber starts shipping them. Anyone in MN looking for a top notch gun store/range check out Bills. Guys and gal that work there are plenty friendly and knowledgeable.
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blarby
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Good to know 
Enjoy your new piece. Sadly, sometimes once burned, scorched forever. Business owners would do well to take note..........
Enjoy your new piece. Sadly, sometimes once burned, scorched forever. Business owners would do well to take note..........22-rimfire
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I generally do not want anyone else's brass since I have no way to know how many times it has been reloaded. New brass, I'd pick up if I had the opportunity. In terms of the OP's experience, I would simply not shoot there and I might well have done something like him with the steel cased ammo.
stchman
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Interesting, I'd tell him I'm taking my brass and I will never come back to his place of business. What's he going to do? Nothing?
I'm assuming this is a pay range. Go take your business elsewhere.
I'm assuming this is a pay range. Go take your business elsewhere.
I have never encountered ay ranges I have went to in the past. My advise is take your brass, and find a new range to shoot at. another thing is this posted anywhere at this range that spent brass is the ranges property? or when you sign in, the paperwork state that spent brass is thier property. If not they are stealing in MHO, Id just find another range to go to and check all the ranges policies espically in the fine print.
Hope this helps,,,,Doc
Hope this helps,,,,Doc
Owen Sparks
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As I understand it, according to the law if someone discards something on purpose and leaves it on your property it becomes yours. In other words the range has a right to claim brass that people have left behind. They do NOT have a right to claim YOUR brass unless you agree to it as part of the cost of using the range. I can see how the range owners don't want some brass hog carrying off a days worth of spent brass that other people left but they have to tell you in advance if they want to keep yours.
Certaindeaf
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Geez, so if you park your car in their parking lot it becomes theirs? Pretty much the same thing.. foolish.
45_auto
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certaindeaf said:
You obviously don't understand the meaning of "discard" if you think that they're the same thing.
But you are correct in your assumption that if you discard your property on property that belongs to someone else, then they assume control and ownership of it. That's why there are procedures to get titles on abandoned vehicles.
Miriam-Webster has a free online dictionary here that will help your reading comprehension:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/
highlander 5
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Easy solution shoot a revolver no flying brass and no headaches.
Certaindeaf
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Who said anything about "discarding"? The temporarily leaving of one's property is the thing at issue/similar. It's quite obvious to me you don't understand the concept of conceptualization.. look it up why don't you.
whtsmoke
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The indoor range I go to here in town has a big sign on the wall that says "Please Help Keep Range Clean Sweep Up Your Brass Before Leaving", and do I ever sweep it up I find all kinds of good brass people either dont do it or dont see it. They do have a couple of buckets there that you can dump your brass in if you dont want it and one for dud rounds guess which one has more in it.
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Who said that brass that lands on the floor is discarded? if I drop my gun on the floor, is that discarded?
we are not amused
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Best advice, just find another range! Personally, I like the open pasture I own, or the meadow behind my house, I can quite literally step out my back door and shoot.
Still the tall grass does make finding all or even most of my spent brass a challenge.
Still the tall grass does make finding all or even most of my spent brass a challenge.
45_auto
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Maybe if you're lucky, you could find a range that charges you a fee for using the range, keeps your brass, then charges you a hazmat disposal fee if you don't take your lead out with you.
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Dubya450 - i'm from the same area and usually shoot at Bills also. I agree about their helpfullness. Which range gave you the headache? I also need to avoid them since I am a reloader too.
Ignition Override
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Even though many new members might have seen the Martinet rule, it says a good bit about the character of the range owner or managers.
Why allow such people to profit even a small bit from something that doesn't belong to them?
Why allow such people to profit even a small bit from something that doesn't belong to them?
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Meh.................
As posted already just shoot somewhere else if you want to take your empties home.
A couple friends belong to a private indoor/outdoor range and they have a sign that if it hits the floor it's theirs. So I only went once. They wanted me to join too but I said no thanks, I keep my brass and pass it on to a guy down the block who reloads and trades me 3/1 reloads for my empties!! He also reloads for me if I buy the supplies and a jug ah turkey too....he's a nice guy to live by!!!
As posted already just shoot somewhere else if you want to take your empties home.
A couple friends belong to a private indoor/outdoor range and they have a sign that if it hits the floor it's theirs. So I only went once. They wanted me to join too but I said no thanks, I keep my brass and pass it on to a guy down the block who reloads and trades me 3/1 reloads for my empties!! He also reloads for me if I buy the supplies and a jug ah turkey too....he's a nice guy to live by!!!
Reloadron
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Where I shoot indoors the rules of the range are clearly posted:
Regulations:
Range Regulations:
1. We reserve the right to deny use of the range to anyone appearing to be impaired by Drugs, Alcohol or otherwise.
2. Anyone under the age of 21 must be accompanied by someone 21 or older.
3. No One is permitted down range at any time for any reason.
4.No smoking, food, drink or chewing gum on range.
5. No more than 2 shooters are permitted in a stall at one time.
6. You must shoot only at your own target, No cross stall shooting
permitted.
7. No shooting at carriers, side walls or items on range floor.
8. Small targets must be on cardboard target head level or below.
9. Shooter may only fire one gun at a time.
10. Do not throw live or defective ammo down range. Please turn it in at the counter for disposal.
11.PLEASE PLACE ALL TRASH IN TRASH CANS PROVIDED.
Safety Regulations:
1. Hearing & eye protection must be worn at all times while on the range.
2. Keep muzzle pointed down range at all times.
3. When taking out or putting away firearms, keep muzzle pointed in safe direction.
4. Keep you finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
5. Handle all firearms like they are loaded at all times. (Every gun is “Always” loaded.)
6. Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.
7. Be courteous and mindful of your fellow shooters’ safety.
Pistol, Rifle and Shotgun Regulations:
1.We reserve the right to inspect all cases & ammo.
2.All rifle ammo will be inspected. (Soft point or lead round nose only. No steel core, armor piercing or full metal jackets.)
3. All rifle targets must be shot at 25 yards. (Full length of range.)
4.All rifles and full stock shotguns must be shot from shoulder or bench rested.
5. High power rifles may be shot with soft point or hollow point ammo and 1 round in magazine at a time. Target must be back the full 75 feet.
6. No full auto high power rifle.
7. No steel shot or solid copper slugs.
8. No rapid fire with pistol grip shotguns.
9. Pistol grip shotguns – buck shot or personal defense rounds only!
10. No picking up brass except for your own.
When range rules at any range don't suit me I have the option of taking my business elsewhere, it's the American Way.
Ron
Regulations:
Range Regulations:
1. We reserve the right to deny use of the range to anyone appearing to be impaired by Drugs, Alcohol or otherwise.
2. Anyone under the age of 21 must be accompanied by someone 21 or older.
3. No One is permitted down range at any time for any reason.
4.No smoking, food, drink or chewing gum on range.
5. No more than 2 shooters are permitted in a stall at one time.
6. You must shoot only at your own target, No cross stall shooting
permitted.
7. No shooting at carriers, side walls or items on range floor.
8. Small targets must be on cardboard target head level or below.
9. Shooter may only fire one gun at a time.
10. Do not throw live or defective ammo down range. Please turn it in at the counter for disposal.
11.PLEASE PLACE ALL TRASH IN TRASH CANS PROVIDED.
Safety Regulations:
1. Hearing & eye protection must be worn at all times while on the range.
2. Keep muzzle pointed down range at all times.
3. When taking out or putting away firearms, keep muzzle pointed in safe direction.
4. Keep you finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
5. Handle all firearms like they are loaded at all times. (Every gun is “Always” loaded.)
6. Use only the correct ammunition for your gun.
7. Be courteous and mindful of your fellow shooters’ safety.
Pistol, Rifle and Shotgun Regulations:
1.We reserve the right to inspect all cases & ammo.
2.All rifle ammo will be inspected. (Soft point or lead round nose only. No steel core, armor piercing or full metal jackets.)
3. All rifle targets must be shot at 25 yards. (Full length of range.)
4.All rifles and full stock shotguns must be shot from shoulder or bench rested.
5. High power rifles may be shot with soft point or hollow point ammo and 1 round in magazine at a time. Target must be back the full 75 feet.
6. No full auto high power rifle.
7. No steel shot or solid copper slugs.
8. No rapid fire with pistol grip shotguns.
9. Pistol grip shotguns – buck shot or personal defense rounds only!
10. No picking up brass except for your own.
When range rules at any range don't suit me I have the option of taking my business elsewhere, it's the American Way.
Ron
TrueTexan
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I'm lucky, the outdoor public range I shoot at charges one time daily fee shoot as long as you want, take your brass and any other that you pick up. The other day the RO gave me 50 rounds of 357 brass he swept up after someone else had be shooting. He said they sell the brass to recyclers.
Reloadron
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Yeah, it's a long list but it is posted in several locations at the range. The shooters have a responsibility to read and understand. Also, new members who like me use a yearly membership have the full range rules read to them rule by rule and explained to them before they cough up money for membership.
As to "High Power" they take that to mean any rifle cartridge that is center fire. So pretty much any cartridge other than .22 caliber rimfire cartridges. THR had a thread about that subject and the thinking was about the same.
Considering the range is only 75 feet (25 yards) maximum I seldom shoot rifle there.
Anyway, rules are rules and each range can set their own rules. So I figure if the rules don't suit me I have the option of seeking out another range to shoot at.
On a humorous note:
My brother dragged an AR up to test in .223. WE had Winchester FMJ ammunition which has a lead core. They refused to let us shoot the FMJ so we bought some Wolf crap that was "hollow point" and the price was fine. The humor was in that the Russian hollow points have a steel billet in the core. So what would you want hitting your expensive backstop?
Oh well, their range and their rules.
Ron
I suppose I am lucky that I can shoot 5.56 and .30-06 at my local indoor range. Even XM855 is okay.
I would not have guessed that high power rifle was any centerfire. I'd just say no full auto centerfire rifle. Would seem more clear. But that's their call
I would not have guessed that high power rifle was any centerfire. I'd just say no full auto centerfire rifle. Would seem more clear. But that's their call
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