Ranier Plated Bullets...lower grain charge?
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I load my Ranier's in 40 S&W at the minimum jacketed data, works great for me. Hey skeet, try 6 grains of Unique, behind a 165 gr Ranier, this gives me right at 1000 fps on my chrono, good load.
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For 165gr jacketed bullets the Hodgdon Manual shows 3.5 to 3.9 for clays for the ranier I would start right at 3.5. Since this is only 851fps with jacketed you should get around 890 with plated.
Clays is pretty fast for .40, and the .40 has a reputation of better accuracy with medium speed powders than fast powders as well.
I have had real good luck with Universal Clays in .40 with both plated and jacketed bullets, including that Ranier bullet using 5.9 Grs of Universal @ 1.125 O.A.L.. That is midrange jacketed data. It shot very well in my friends Firestar. No chrono data though. (pre chrono days for me)
6.0 Grs and a Berrys 165 Gr TrFP @ 1.160 (almost too long for my XD SC mag) gave me 988 FPS from the 3" XD and 1080 FPS from a Witness Elite Match.
These loads were safe in my pistols using my load procedure. Use with caution.
I have had real good luck with Universal Clays in .40 with both plated and jacketed bullets, including that Ranier bullet using 5.9 Grs of Universal @ 1.125 O.A.L.. That is midrange jacketed data. It shot very well in my friends Firestar. No chrono data though. (pre chrono days for me)
6.0 Grs and a Berrys 165 Gr TrFP @ 1.160 (almost too long for my XD SC mag) gave me 988 FPS from the 3" XD and 1080 FPS from a Witness Elite Match.
These loads were safe in my pistols using my load procedure. Use with caution.
I know that that this is an old thread, but i'm trying to load 185gr Berrys (45ACP) and I'm sure that the COL of 1.275 has to be wrong. Loaded to that length I can pull the bullet out of the case with my fingers. Something is wrong with that data. I also have a Midway 45ACP "LoadMap" with the same data...it just can't be correct. According to some Accurate Arms data for 185gr (JHP) 45ACP it seems like 1.210 is a better COL. Any experience or better data...I'd appreciate it.
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If you can pull the bullet out of the case with your fingers, that is very dangerous. The chambering action from the magazine by the slide will push the bullet deeper into the case with the force against the ramp - this will increase the chamber pressure when fired.
I believe you do not have enough taper crimp. The quality check test I use for sufficient taper crimp is setting the round on the bench and pushing down on the bullet with all of my hand/arm force can apply. The bullet should not move!
If it pushes down, I apply more taper crimp. BTW, I seat my 200/230gr 45 ACP to 1.25" COAL.
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Light but functional load for 200 gr plated SWC
New to THR. Used to shoot a lot, mostly 1911s, until about 15 years ago. Now am starting to have grandchildren and want to try and regain my former proficiency (but age 65 is not the same as 50!). I have a bunch of .45 ammo that I reloaded back in the day - 200 gr plated SWC in front of 5.5 gr 231 OAL 1.2". I went to the range to qualify with a Colt Combat Elite Enhanced .45 ACP, and discovered that it badly needed a trigger job, so got that done. Went back to qualify again and still couldn't hit much (although at least the trigger worked well!). The consensus of the range instructors was that I needed to start out with a lighter load, so I am thinking of these:
200 gr plated SWC 5.0 gr 231 (will use if it cycles the gun properly)
200 gr plated SWC 5.2 gr 231 (if needed to cycle the gun properly)
Any opinions, helpful suggestions?
New to THR. Used to shoot a lot, mostly 1911s, until about 15 years ago. Now am starting to have grandchildren and want to try and regain my former proficiency (but age 65 is not the same as 50!). I have a bunch of .45 ammo that I reloaded back in the day - 200 gr plated SWC in front of 5.5 gr 231 OAL 1.2". I went to the range to qualify with a Colt Combat Elite Enhanced .45 ACP, and discovered that it badly needed a trigger job, so got that done. Went back to qualify again and still couldn't hit much (although at least the trigger worked well!). The consensus of the range instructors was that I needed to start out with a lighter load, so I am thinking of these:
200 gr plated SWC 5.0 gr 231 (will use if it cycles the gun properly)
200 gr plated SWC 5.2 gr 231 (if needed to cycle the gun properly)
Any opinions, helpful suggestions?
1.275 is SAMMI max length for .45 ACP. You need to load the actual rounds to whatever the bullet you are loading needs to function well.
I load the Berrys 185 Gr HBRN between 1.260 & 1.265 O.A.L.
I load the Berrys 185 Gr SWC at 1.190 O.A.L.
I have never tried any Berrys 185 Gr TrFP's.
No amount of crimp will make up for poor neck tension, which is what you need more of. You need to crimp just enough to remove the bell and/or a hair more.
I load the Berrys 185 Gr HBRN between 1.260 & 1.265 O.A.L.
I load the Berrys 185 Gr SWC at 1.190 O.A.L.
I have never tried any Berrys 185 Gr TrFP's.
No amount of crimp will make up for poor neck tension, which is what you need more of. You need to crimp just enough to remove the bell and/or a hair more.
5.0 Grs of W-231 will cycle the gun fine. I shot lots of 200 to 250 Gr lead and plated bullets with 5.0 Grs of W-231.Less will work as well. I did an interesting experiment along those lines not long ago.
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Light but functional load for 200 gr plated SWC ?
Thanks, Walkalong. I will load up a batch and see whether the lighter load will help me get back in the saddle.
Thanks, Walkalong. I will load up a batch and see whether the lighter load will help me get back in the saddle.
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Oh my, it should be "not enough neck tension". :banghead:
And this should be "check your resizing for proper neck tension" - dang, mind is a terrible thing to deteriorate ...
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40 S&W Load data for Rainier with bluedot?
Does anyone have any data on loading these bullets with Bluedot? Im just looking for a good safe load for target plinking nothing heavy. Thanks
Does anyone have any data on loading these bullets with Bluedot? Im just looking for a good safe load for target plinking nothing heavy. Thanks
Use a max of 80% of jacketed data with Blue Dot and you will be fine. It will be light and safe.
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I think Blue Dot might be too slow burning for 40S&W.
I haven't loaded 40S&W with powder slower burning than WSF/HS-6.
If you can't find current published load data, do you have other "faster" powder you can use?
I haven't loaded 40S&W with powder slower burning than WSF/HS-6.
If you can't find current published load data, do you have other "faster" powder you can use?
I agree that it is not best suited for light to medium plinking loads in .40 S&W, but it will work if that is all recombi123 has to work with.
I also agree that WSF and similar burn rate powders like Universal would be better.
I have a light 155 Gr load with 700X that shoots well. Powder puff. Mainly my powder of choice in .40 S&W is Universal.
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