Ready to buy a PTR-91 -- now, which one?

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Richard.Howe

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I'm ready to buy my PTR-91...and now just need to pick the right model. Which one do you have? Likes, dislikes?

The standard 91F with 18" bbl:
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The 91KF with 16" bbl
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The 91R
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Or the 91KPF
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Why just one??! hehe. Personally I would go with the "shorty" as it looks like the most fun to shoot and keep as nostalgia.

Good luck!

:)
 
I got the shorty, KF model, and I'm happy. It balances well and you don't lose that much from 18 to 16 inches ammo performance wise.

I would avoid any of the telescoping/folding stock versions. The ergonomics of the G3 are not the best anyway, no reason to make them worse. That thing is purely for looks, you won't like shooting it with the telescoping stock. But looks are part of it and it is an unusually good looking rifle with that stock so depends on what you want I guess. The KPF I mean. That one with the side folder is just ugly :)

As soon as you get it and get the new worn off send the lower to Williams Triggers and spend $65 on their standard trigger job.

Here's mine with a CQ/T.

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I've found that 16" guns tend to make a handier package than 18" guns with a lot of designs. The only PTR-91 I've examined in detail was a PTR-91KFM4, the kind with the telescoping stock.

Personally, I'd get the 16" barrel and the fixed stock. The HK style telescoping stock is going to abuse your shoulder on a .308 (very small buttplate area). I'd go with the folder rather than the slidey-stock.
 
What about the PTR 91 SC?
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Wouldn't that rail mounted just in front of the rear sight drum work better than a claw mount, for attaching optics?
 
What about the PTR 91 SC

Not sure about now but when I ordered mine back in late October they could not give an estimated ship date for the SC while they had most of the others in stock.

It is the version I wanted initially.
 
How do you get a good cheek weld with the scope mounted so high?

You ever shot one of these?

That's why all the reviews talk about the crappy ergonomics. It's just the nature of the G3s. Not the greatest, you just live with it. You don't even get a great cheek weld using the irons.....imagine trying to use the telescoping stock.

These are toys at the end of the day, and there's a reason no one uses the design on modern battle rifles.

The CQT is just on there to play with for now, not sure if it will stay.
 
Ergonomics and G3 do not belong together in the same sentence, this rifle is nearly absolutely devoid of operating ergonomics. If all you were going to do with it was just hold it by the pistol grip and look down the sights, it's not bad. Otherwise functionally, it just plain s*cks.
 
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Would there be any problems with the G3 design that would prohibit it from being used as a multipurpose 308 marksman rifle up to 500 meters, yet still be reasonably capable of CQB combat?

With a 16" barrel it is fairly short, similar to many common assault rifles in smaller calibers. It has a 20rd magazine which suits it well for higher volume close range engagements. Are there any flaws in the G3 design that make it unsuitable for this role? One problem I've heard of is the heavy trigger. Is there anything else?
 
How does the FAL compare to the G3 in terms of ergonomics? I have shot a FAL, and thought it was OK, but have not fired a G3.
 
I've handled the 91R in person. The side-folding stock looks like a Tapco piece of crap. Get either the fixed stock or collapsible. I'd say get the 18" barrel. It gives you 2 more inches than an M4, but 2 less than an M16A1. With a folding stock, you're still "carbine" enough, but you'd have much better accuracy than an M4 (not to mention better looks). I'll admit, I've never fired the PTR, but they feel extremely solid in the hands.
 
Having shot 2 different HK91 extensively, (over 1000 rounds) I can say with authority these guns have POOR ergonomics.

They are heavy, they recoil heavily, the sights are NOT adjustible.

They are made for soldiers with little experience and work well in Africa in big game country and rebel lands. They look like they would hold up to hard abuse as there are few parts to loose or break.

These guns are NOT a rifleman's rifle. You can add a scope and they are accurate, very accurate, at least the original German models are.

I doubt the PT's are as good as the HK's.

The triggers are tough and made for use by poorly trained troops who are in danger of shooting themselves.

There is NO way to extract a case if it gets stuck or to assist in loading.

Frankly there are a LOT better choices.

With the cost of ammo you will regret owning a 308. The cost of ammo is going to go up and surplus 308 will dry up as less and less is used planet wide.
 
I purchased the 18” barrel with the regular stock. I would have gotten the collapsible stock version if it had been on sale. It would have been nice to have a very compact 308.

I am so surprised by the outright hostility towards the G3 design. In my opinion, the ergonomics are inferior to my M1a’s and FN/FAL, the safety is harder to reach, the cocking lever is a stretch and takes one heck of a pull. But the system works.

This rifle was designed to a different priority of requirements than what a consumer might desire. Some day, write down the top ten things that are important to you when you buy a truck for yourself. Then sit down, pretend you are the boss, and write down what is important when you are supplying a truck to your employees. The creature comforts that were important to you as a consumer won't make the top five when you are supplying the thing to some one else.

In military weapon design cost will always trump ergonomics. As long as the weapon functions to “minimal” requirements, that is all that is going to be funded.

When you look at the G3 design what is obvious is that it is a weapon that is cheap to make and easy to maintain. I do not think it was meant to be rebuilt. I believe the designers, having experienced the loss of total Armies on the Russian front, decided to design a weapon that could be built faster than the ones in the field were used up.

If there aren’t enough rifles to go around, what do you issue to your new troops? Broomsticks?

As a consumer item, maybe there are better. As a military rifle, well it was an interesting approach.

I still prefer my M1a over all, the FN/FAL next. The G3 was issued as a front line rifle, and it still is on use somewhere. So it is not like it is a total failure.
 
With the cost of ammo you will regret owning a 308. The cost of ammo is going to go up and surplus 308 will dry up as less and less is used planet wide.

I think that's a bit of a stretch to say someone will regret owning a 308 rifle.

There is still plenty of surplus, and reloading is always an option. Given the rising cost of ammo for ALL calibers, 308 isn't rising any faster in price than anything else unfortunately.

None of us are running an army here, we're shooting for fun and that's gonna have a price tag on it no matter what you do.

If shooting is about pure economics then buy a 10/22 and be happy.
 
None of us are running an army here, we're shooting for fun and that's gonna have a price tag on it no matter what you do.

Amen to that. You have to pay to play and one doesn't have to burn 1000 rounds at the range to have fun. Some of the most fun shooting I have done has been with 20-40 rounds of super slow fire .308. What's 40 rounds of .308 commercial 25 bucks? Hell buy 80 rounds and it is still cheaper then a movie out for two these days.
 
I'd go with the 18" fixed stock model. it's the original and thus very reliable. Why fool with it?
 
I've got the 'kf' 16" fixed stock model. Love it.

I really don't understand all the hostility towards the G3 platform. It's a little nose heavy, but it's superior in nearly every way to an AK platform rifle, and everyone seems to rave about them...

Mine is accurate (better than I am, anyway), 100% reliable, recoil is easy to manage, it handles well for me, mags are cheap, it's easy to strip and clean, parts are available... What's not to like?

Sights are not quite as good as on an M1(a), but they're pretty good. Ergonomics are not quite as good as with an FAL or AR10, (the mag release, safety, and cocking action are a bit oddly placed) but they're not that bad. With the standard stock and irons, I have no problem getting a good cheek weld.
 
Get one of the K's and pick up each of the stocks but the sidefilders, they suck, the tapco T6 type stock is sucky also. Basicly the K model with shortened forend with a $19 fixed stock and the telescoping one that it came with is the ideal situation.

I have a scope on my G3 clone and it works just fine, also reliable as all heck, its right on par with my AK's in terms of durability, and the PTR line makes them outshoot anything in the near pricerange in semi auto .308 but match M1's
 
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