Rebuttal to Kerry's "I hunt but I don't need an AK-47 for it"

[Sheslinger]

I think we are missing the point here. This is America. As long as you don't hurt anyone, why should any guns be prohibited? Saying that no one needs a machine gun/more than 10-round magazine/pistol grip/muzzle brake and why should I be allowed to have one is like saying that no one needs more than 5 mln dollars and let's take Bill Gates' money away and give it to the poor.

I might not like Bill Gates but he has every right to have 94 bln dollars. As long as he did not break any laws acquiring the wealth.

Right. That last sentence did not make any sense to me either.

 

[Mulliga]

Sheslinger has a good point. After all, Teddy Kennedy (D-Chappaquiddick) pushed for an amendment banning "eeevil, cop-killing bullets" like .30-30.

 

[Airedale1]

You answer Kerry like this...........

...............Former Rep. Bob Dornan said it as forcefully as any politician in modern times has ever said it, on the floor of the House in 1995, "the 2nd amendment is not for killing little ducks and leaving Huey, Dewey and Louie without an aunt and uncle. It is for hunting politicians."

 

[wingedmonkey]

Sheslinger is right. I was at a meeting last night and a woman asked me "why do people need these assualt weapons anyway?" I told her that the appearance of the firearm should not determine who needs one. I explained that law abiding citizens should be able to purchase any firearm they want. I got the sense she thought assualt weapons were machine guns. Explained what they are and that with the exception of the cosmetic features, they are no different than the 30-30 I use for deer hunting.

 

[Master Blaster]

When I hear him say that he is for banning firearms of all descript then I'll worry.

Start worrying NOW.

In the debate over SB 1805 Kerry took off from Super tuesday campaigning as did Edwards to fly back to Washington DC, and vote for the anti gun riders that were tacked onto SB 1805.

One of those riders was propossed by Ted Kennedy the other senator from Kerry's state of Massachussetts. Kennedy called the 30-30 an armour piercing round that can shoot through an armoured limosine and a policemans vest. he called for a ban of all dangerous armour piercing ammo that is currently sold in every sporting goods store in america.

If it can go through a policeman's soft armour vest then its armour piercing and needs to be banned.

That means every centerfire rifle round would be banned.

Kerry voted FOR that rider.

WORRY NOW

or you will see your bolt action BABY killing sniper rifle banned forever.


If Kerry gets elected and we get a democratic congress you will be turning in your hunting ,err cop killing sniper rifle, for sure.
But hey maybe they will let you keep your BB gun and hunt crickets with it if you get a license.

 

[GigaBuist]

Kerry voted FOR that rider.

Well... he voted to allow the ammendment to be debated. They didn't actually vote to attach it... it just meant they're thinking "Maybe this idea has some merit. Lets hear more." Thankfully enough Senators were in the room thinking "Hey, Kennedy's a drunken fool. This is stupid." to get the thing shot down before it could be seriously debated.

Still, for somebody that claims to be a hunter you'd think he'd know right out of the gate that the idea's stupid. Might actually know that -- didn't vote that way though.

Both my senators voted the same way from Michigan. How the heck they could to that in good conscience with all the deer hunting that goes on here is beyond me.

Oh wait, they have no soul. THAT"s why!

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Look he must do well in the South to win and he isn't stupid enough to advocate banning fire arms in the South.

Kerry has already publicly stated that the Dems don't need the South to win. Judging from his actions, he doesn't plan to spend much time there.

Imntbho the idea that Kerry wants your fire arms is an attempt by the radical right wing to smear or distort his meaning.It is a matter of politics and interpretion.

This is a man who couldn't be bothered to fly back to Washington to vote for legislation he supports (extending unemployment benefits) when he has the nomination wrapped up; but who dropped everything on Super Tuesday to fly back to Washington and vote against gun owners (and get his picture taken with the unholy trinity of Schumer, Feinstein and Kennedy).

This is a man who has a 100% record of voting in perfect accordance with the Brady Campaign/Handgun Control over the PAST 20 YEARS. Not one vote against them in 20 years?

This is a man, who in MARCH 2004 voted to ban all centerfire rifle ammunition.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=2&vote=00028

At least be honest with yourself and admit you don't care that much about gun rights; but please don't try to sell me on the nonsense that Kerry is anything but a lifelong gun grabber.

When I hear him say that he is for banning firearms of all descript then I'll worry.

By then it will be too late... semi-autos will have been banned, deer (sniper) rifles will have been banned, centerfire rifle ammo - banned. All of the people who work with you to protect your gun rights so you can hunt will have been legislated out of existence - and once we're gone, you won't have the votes you need to protect what you have left.


Gigabuist:

Well... he voted to allow the ammendment to be debated. They didn't actually vote to attach it... it just meant they're thinking "Maybe this idea has some merit. Lets hear more."

No, Kerry wasn't even present when the amendment was proposed and agreed to be debated. The vote he cast was to make that amendment a part of S.1805 with the purpose of becoming federal law. You can read the amendment text by searching http://thomas.loc.gov for S.AMDT 2619

 

[longeyes]

The Second Amendment is neither about hunting nor paper targets. The sooner we acknowledge that it is there to protect the other Rights enshrined in the BOR and to keep honest a potentially rogue government the better off we will be.

It is vital not to let The Other Side dictate the terms of the discussion.

 

[R.H. Lee]

It is vital not to let The Other Side dictate the terms of the discussion.

Exactly right. The "other side" is re-defining the purpose of firearms ownership and the intent of the 2nd Amendment. The same people are quick to point out how any infringement of the 1st Amend is dangerous to liberty, however. Constant regulation and banning of certain types of firearms are the slippery slope that will ultimately lead to the extinction of individual firearms ownership in this country. Since the "AK-47" is the current "AWB du jour", let's not let go of it. Mainstream gunowners need to link ourselves with this particular weapon as acceptable, useful and protected as codified in the 2nd Amendment.

 

[TrapperReady]

Sheslinger - I've used the "I'm only making holes in paper" argument quite a bit. It helps that I shoot highpower and CMP matches, and can use that as a basis for explaination of different target-shooting disciplines. It certainly makes the "assault weapons are only to kill as many people as possible" argument ring pretty hollow. Even better is to then explain how the AWB technically covers a variety of high-$$$ .22 target pistols.

While I know that target shooting or hunting has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights, it does provide an opening into rational discussion of irrational laws.

 

[Treylis]

Thankfully enough Senators were in the room thinking "Hey, Kennedy's a drunken fool. This is stupid." to get the thing shot down before it could be seriously debated.

If only more voters had the same thoughts.

 

[Mr. Kook]

"I hunt but I don't need an AK-47 for it"

No, but an AR-10 with a 20 rounder sure would be nice for that cluster of dear in the clearing. Hell, if you're quick you might be able to fill your tags in one sitting.

.......................the ramblings of a drunken mind.................

 

[Partisan Ranger]

The problem with banning classes of guns is this: There will always be anti-gun bigot extremists who take advantage and try to ban more and more classes of guns.

I don't own an 'evil black assault weapon' and I may not ever. But I view the AWB as a threat to all our guns rights.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Kerry is pandering to both sides with statements like that. It is diappointing he lacks the courage to stand up and say " an AK-47 is JUST a rifle...nothing more...nothing less.....our Constitution protects the rights of our citizens to own an AK-47....period !"

Sadly, I haven't heard GWB say this, either.

 

[LAR-15]

Teddy Boy proposed banning most rifle rounds.

That good ol armor piercing .30/30.

Yes 30/30 can pierce some types of body armor

 

[LAR-15]

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Kerry is pandering to both sides with statements like that. It is diappointing he lacks the courage to stand up and say " an AK-47 is JUST a rifle...nothing more...nothing less.....our Constitution protects the rights of our citizens to own an AK-47....period !"
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Sadly, I haven't heard GWB say this, either

Right but you have never heard GWB claim no ones hunts with an AK

 

[jke456]

master blaster said:

"If Kerry gets elected and we get a democratic congress you will be turning in your hunting ,err cop killing sniper rifle, for sure.
But hey maybe they will let you keep your BB gun and hunt crickets with it if you get a license. ">>>>>>


You may turn yours in but I sure as hell am not going to turn so much as my single shot .410 in .

I take the second admendment litterally as written, and if they are able to divide gunowners and pass laws banning anything I own then they will have to drag every lake around here to try and find my weapons cause "I just cant remember which one of those lakes I dropped them in "

I think I still have some pvc pipe around here somewhere.....