Rebuttal to the Candidates Responses on Gun Control

[ZeSpectre]

shdwfx,
While I understand the point you are trying to make, the sticking point is simply this... RKBA is one of our enumerated rights...period.

A lot of people try to confuse this issue with arguments equating firearms ownership to owning a car or a baseball bat or whatever but none of those things fall under the same specification as a genuinely enumerated right so the comparisons fall flat.

 

[rainbowbob]

Zespectre:
I appreciate your activism, although I suspect sending to the candidates will get no response other than "...thanks for your comments..." Sending to the local news media outlets might have a chance.

Kingpin:
I'll admit I wasn't aware of APS before you pointed it out. I am now registered there.

 

[wcb]

Point is, strict restrictions on access to guns (for arguably good reasons) do not necessarily have to prevent an armed society.

Problem is they want to disarm us period so, and as the NRA views it, any step in the disarm direction is losing our footing. Just think of how many different actions/behaviors have gone from tolerate to law in the last couple of decades.

 

[wcb]

Sending to the local news media outlets might have a chance.

The news media is almost worse then the politicians; remember it's called "Liberal Media"; Liberals, the guys who think taking guns from honest law abiding citizens will stop crime.

I write to them all the time; it doesn't work. Their job is promoting Democrat agendas.

 

[shdwfx]

Agreed. I do believe that the end game is total confiscation.

But, much of the fear of guns is just a total lack of education and training.

A good start would be to require gun safety training in public schools. If they can teach sex ed, why not push for gun safety ed? It would be a hard sell and could take years, but a program in place like that would go a long way towards winning "hearts and minds." The truth shall set you free.

That's why reasoned analysis like in the OP is so important. We should be able to give an answer for why we believe what we believe.

 

[wcb]

Problem is the minds in government and the media is take guns away and cause fear in the public about people having guns. If their lead story was how many BG's were stopped, how many rapes were stopped, how many more BG's are stopped by law abiding citizens with guns than the police, the public would understand guns in good people hands is the best thing.

This isn't about guns v. public safety; this is about power in government. Their future plan requires us to be disarmed first. These are educated people in government, they certainly know when they get our guns we are sitting ducks and lots of people will die as a result. If this were about stopping the deaths from accidental discharges from guns in the public's hands or any other mishap there are far better places to save lives. Shutting down the gun industry, for the most part, will do a lot of damage to the economy; for that reason they wont stop the making of tobacco products; what's the difference? They will say, there will be bootleg tobacco products.... ??but not BG bootleg guns??

Think about it, the excuses are there because they have trained people to believe them but you and I know they make no sense at all.

 

[Zangetsu]

In the US, would it go too far to require that to own or carry a firearm, you must have so many hours per year of training and periodic background checks?

Firearms can be expensive, so while I wouldn't be in favor of universal mandatory gun ownership, I would be in favor of mandatory gun education, which would include a minimum requirement of range time a year. No score requirement though...the idea would be to get people to the range just enough to give them a basic knowledge and understanding of how to operate a firearm safely and effectively. And maybe required is the wrong word...it'd be better to provide people with a tax incentive for doing so, because honestly, I don't think we have enough ranges to accommodate 300+ million people, unless the government wanted to build some, but then I could see it being just like a DMV but with guns, and the DMV sucks. Could you imagine standing in line for hours just to shoot 10 rounds at a target so you could get a little sticker that says you've been a good boy? Yuck.

But, much of the fear of guns is just a total lack of education and training.

You're right on the money shdwfx. I can't tell you how many people I known that have started as staunch anti gun. By the time that conversation ends, 99% of the time they've at least reconsidered their position. They are smart folks too...it's just that they have been so....indoctrinated (for lack of a better word) that they don't even question it when they hear anything about more gun control on the news; they just assume that guns are incredibly easy to get and something has to be done to keep someone from walking into a Walmart and walking out with 14 AK's, 10 pounds of C4, and a bakers dozen of hand grenades. When you actually sit them down, explain to them the way things really are, and actually connect the two dots for them, they can't help but see the logic of your position, and it puts everything they see in the news in a new light from that moment on. After that, it's just a matter of time before they get fed up with the illogical actions of the pro gun control camp and come around There is a whole lotta truth to whoever made the generalization, "A Democrat is just a republican who hasn't been mugged." I've actually had 3 friends turn to the GOP for that exact reason