reccomend a good 357

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I was wondering if anyone could reccomend a good 357 mag? I have looked at so many and heard so many different things, but the people saying everything dont even own one! I am looking for one to take to the range on the weekends and let my wife practice with too. Nothing to top end, just the basic, preferably in stainless with maybe a 4 in barrell. Any advice?
 
Ruger GP 100

I assume you want a double action. An excellent gun for the money is the Ruger GP 100, or if you run across one, the earlier "Six" series. The Speed Six and Service Six have fixed sights, the Security Six has adjustible. Colt and S&W fans will weigh in, but Rugers have an excellent reputation for strength and durability.
 
Any Smith & Wesson or Ruger will be a good choice. They are both fine guns. I have owned both.

I have been shooting handguns for over 35 years, and do not really like the recoil and blast of a .357 magnum. You can shoot .38 special ammunition out of a .357 handgun. When you first go to the range with your wife, you may do well to have a box of .38's along. If you do not like the recoil of the magnum loads, or especially if your wife does not, your day will not be ruined. My wife does NOT like magnum loads.

You did not ask for this advice...but if it is quality range time that you are after, get a .22 handgun. I shoot my .22 more than any other gun. The ammo is inexpensive and the shooting can last as long as you would like. Generic .38's are now $13.95 for a box of 50 in my area. I can get a box of 500 .22's for the same money.

If you are after a self defense gun, however, a .38 or .357 would be a better choice.
 
There are lots of good .357's available both new and used. I'd stick with S&W, Ruger and Colts for DA revolvers.

For new pistols I'd suggest S&W L frame model 619 (fixed sight) or 620 (adjustable), any of the 686 series or any of the Ruger GP100's in either stainless or blue. Any of the above listed new pistols would be a good used choice used.

For used pistols a K frame model 65 (fixed sight) can be had at reasonable prices, either a Model 66 or 19. A Ruger Security Six can also be found for a reasonable price and they're a good pistol too. Used in Colts the Trooper MKIII's can be found for under $500 and IMO are fine guns. I've had one for over 30 years and its still a great shooter.
 
What the heck is the difference between the S&W 620 and the 686+? They are both adjustable-sight, .357 magnum L-frame seven-shooters, correct?

Also, is the 620 necessarily going to be weaker than the regular 686, what with the extra chamber in the same-sized frame?
 
I'm partial to GP100s

I couldn't recommend GP100s more strongly. I would never even consider selling my 4" GP100. I think that it is the best .357 magnum revolver design on the market today. If you find a good GP100 specimen, I'd recommend buying it there and then. Just make sure that you inspect it carefully before buying one. I got emotional a little while back and bought a 4" Redhawk that will eventually go back to Ruger in a few weeks. I was so excited to see the gun in my area that I overlooked a few problems. After I get the gun back, I'm sure that I'll be very happy with it. All gun companies occasionally make mistakes. I finally had some bad luck with a purchase with my Redhawk, but that wouldn't stop me from buying more products from Ruger.

Given the choice between a 620 and a 686, I'd go with the 686. It has been a while since I researched these two guns, but I think that the 686 is a better design than the 620. I think that the 620 barrel is actually made of two separate parts, while the 686 is made up of one. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that this is the case. If my memory serves me well, I'd think that the 686 would be stronger than the 620. Having said that, the GP100 would be stronger than both the 620 and the 686. As much as I like the 686, I think that the GP100 is a better design.

Just my two cents.
 
I agree with most of the folks here. I have owned the 686 Smith as well as the Ruger GP100 both and a number of small frame revolvers from both companies. Both are good firearms.
My experience over the years shows that the Smith will usually have a lighter trigger pull as well as a few ounces lighter in weight. Overall finish is usually more refined, less machining marks smoother action. (I did say most not all)

Ruger is a workhorse and will take a beating. It has a massive cylinder lock up and because of this it seems to take the heavier mag load abuse longer.

The one thing I would do is to take your wife out to see which one fits in her hand. If it is not comfortable for her she won’t want to shoot it. It might help you make your choice easier.
 
What the heck is the difference between the S&W 620 and the 686+?

An underlugged-barrel, and a two-piece barrel. As far as I can deduct, the 620 was brought out to make a lighter-barreled version of the 686 w/o an underlug, and to platform the cheaper two-piece barrel design. The design is not without it's merits - it is similar to what Dan Wesson used to use to produce such great accuracy - and some reviews have said the 620 is a real tack-driver.

The GP-100 vs 686 debate comes up weekly it seems. An important note is that this is pretty much a case of "you get what you pay for." - both are going to work, and last a long, long time. After that, you are paying for features, design subtleties, etc. that you are either want as a discriminating buyer or don't care to pay for. It's like a Ford vs. Audi or something like that. The 686 is more refined - it is made from forged steel, not cast, and that allows for a stronger frame in a slimmer package - much of the perceived "bulk" and durability of the Ruger is the cheaper production method, not a real design feature or any proven true strength. The action and internals of the S&W, and fit and finish, tend to be better from more attention and effort. It costs more at retail, and that's why. Street prices of each as new (prices today from Bud's Gun Shop) delivered for you for a 6-shot, 4", adjustable sight model of each are $600 for the S&W and $490 for the Ruger. Since both are built in the same state at presumably the same labor rates, you can see the added cost of forged frame and higher fit and finish.

Personally, I love the 686. I have six currently (no, five) .357 handguns and for any round I want to load, the 4" 686 is my first-choice gun, whether it's a target .38 special or a 180gr. Double Tap bear load. It is my first choice .357 for uses of that caliber EXCEPT concealed carry. It is smooth, accurate, and it's design let's it swallow full-power magnum loads like nothing else in it's size class - even better than the bigger N-frame S&Ws like the 28 and 27. My choice is get a nice used 686 for like $400 to $450 - get an earlier one without the internal lock, save a little money over either gun new, and have a ball with it for a lifetime. My 1985 model came from the factory with one the finest trigger actions I've ever felt on a DA revolver. If you prefer blue, a 586 is of course just as good.

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I guess the consenus is either a S&W 686 or a Ruger GP 100. I do not think one would make a bad decision either way. I have several S&W revolvers and the 686 plus is my favorite Smith. The trigger pull is definitely slicker and faster than the GP 100. Having said that, the GP100 has several design features that I like for a long lasting and easy to maintain revolver, and it is a nice shooting revolver. It is not as fast as the Smith, but unless you are into competition shooting the difference is not enough to sway a gunfight to your advantage. The Ruger shoots well and is smooth when broken in. I can honestly say that for general protection that I like them both equally well.

Now the Colt Python, while a sweet looking and refined gun, would not be a revolver that I would feel comfortable lasting a long time after hard use (a lot of shooting). I ended up selling my python elite, because it went out of time twice. Colt did fix it twice and tuned the trigger once, but I never liked the trigger action as well as the Smith or Ruger. Looking back for what they are selling for on gunbroker, I should have held on to it. Now I dont want people to think that I am bashing the Python, it is a very well put together revolver. It has a tight lockup and is an accurate revolver. The problem I have with it and the Korth for that matter is that you pay much more for a revolver that has a very complicated lockwork with many more pieces that can and will eventually need to be fixed by a highly skilled gunsmith.That is, if it is used often. The S&W and Ruger have a simplier design, with fewer parts that rarely go out of time, and can either be fixed by the average gunsmith, or for most savy gun owners. Do they look as good or have the machining of the Pythons & Korth? Heck no. But from the standpoint of having an affordable yet reliable self defense handgun that will last a lifetime or two. In my humble opinion, you can not go wrong with the 686 or GP100. Hope my 2 cents was worth sharing.
 
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I have a Ruger GP-100 and I love it:

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The only thing I want to change on it is the front sight. It is hard to see because it is the same color as the rear sight and there's no contrast. An orange front sight is like $10 I think.

I have also heard nothing but good things about the S&W 686. I don't think you can go wrong with either one.
 
If your just target shooting and want wife along then shooting the 686 in SA is an awful lot of fun, and your wife can start out on .38. but i must credit whoever said just have her pick one up. some guns just feel like they were made for your hand. ANYHOW.... i sure do love my 4" 686 with pachmyer combat grip
 
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