rec'd from JPFO 30 March, Talkin to America with Len Savage on the BATFE

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The above link will take those interested to an audio of the interview, runs about 30 minutes. There is a transcript available, which one could read at their leisure, I listened to the audio. It was to say the least, an interesting commentary on the antics of the BATFE, which some here might be acquainted with. Listen or read and judge for yourselves.

The Olafson case mentioned in the interview, Olafson's appeal of his conviction has been heard, the appeals court has yet to rule. Olafson resides in jail, while his case goes through the appeal process. Seems that I have heard of criminal cases where the person convicted was out on bail, pending appeals, not so here, one wonders as to why.
 
Olafson resides in jail, while his case goes through the appeal process. Seems that I have heard of criminal cases where the person convicted was out on bail, pending appeals, not so here, one wonders as to why.

One of two reasons. Olafson didn't request appeal bond. Many defendants would rather start serving the sentence and get it over with.

The judge denied appeal bond. It's not automatic and it's not always granted. You can find plenty of cases where it's denied.

I doubt it's some kind of evil conspiracy.
 
I dont see how anyone who has read even one of the factual pages representing what happened in this case, and would believe this guy to be anything but a crackpot.
Come on, he had in his possession an illegal weapon, he tried to sell this weapon to someone who reported it to the authorities, his defense was that he is a citizen in another country so therefore he should be offered diplomatic immunity, when he isnt. He dropped any defense involving accidental wear, or not intending the result to be an illegal weapon, instead he went stright to "Im not a citizen here, so you cant arrest or prosecute me".
CRACK POT!!!!
What do you think it would do to help you if you claimed to be a representative from a foriegn government after you as a lifetime American citizen were arrested for possession of illegal drugs, the judge would give you the maximum sentence and tell you to get help for your mental issues.
 
I dont see how anyone who has read even one of the factual pages representing what happened in this case, and would believe this guy to be anything but a crackpot.

Unfortunately even the cases of people who you feel are crackpots need to be tried with the absolute scrutiny you would reserve for someone you agree with.

Unfortunately most of the cases where someone appealed a case multiple times and is then for example a case the SCOTUS agrees to hear are not someone you would want as your neighbor.

The Constitutionality of the NFA laws for example were challenged by a bank robber and moonshiner back in the Miller case. He would have won that challenge if he had lived or someone spoke on his behalf. He died before they appeared before the Supreme Court.
They court essentialy said he would have won the challenge if someone would have come and shown short barreled shotguns had military use (and they had been used extensively in WW1.)
They however could not consider facts not presented, and nobody showed up to present any becase Miller died, and nobody cared enough to come argue on his behalf anyways.

The entire Constitutionality of short barreled weapons and likely machineguns (which could also have been shown used for previous militia/military purposes) and the NFA as a whole would have been challenged and defeated.
The GCA in 1968 that Amended the NFA to add Destructive Devices, limiting the bore to .50, added AOWs and a host of other things could not have been done in light of that ruling.

Our entire nation would have far more firearm rights, all because a bank robber and illegal moonshiner challenged the constitutionality of the law.


You do not ususaly get to pick and choose the type of person you want challenging gun laws. The Supreme Court of the United States refuses to hear far more cases than they agree to hear. Many great cases have never been granted writ of certiorari. Some bad cases have been. So you have to work with what you get, and if the law is wrong or unconstitional you work with circumstances and cases that you can demonstrate that with.
In this situation he is using various cases to show actions taken by the ATF that are wrong. That does not mean they do not do wrong things to better prosecute some bad guys or others who are less than perfect. Yes some of the guys they use crooked tricks to convict are not the most upstanding or great role models.

If your local police plant evidence to convict bad people it would still be wrong whether the people they planted evidence to convict were better off in jail or not. It is a similar principle. By stopping that type of action you would not only protect the criminal's rights, but good people in the future who would get tangled up in the web of corruption. Or people the corrupt cops thought were bad guys who were not.
It would not mean you liked the gang member and drug dealer that they were unable to take off the streets and so planted evidence to convict.
That has nothing to do with it.
 
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I dont see how anyone who has read even one of the factual pages representing what happened in this case, and would believe this guy to be anything but a crackpot.
Come on, he had in his possession an illegal weapon, he tried to sell this weapon to someone who reported it to the authorities, his defense was that he is a citizen in another country so therefore he should be offered diplomatic immunity, when he isnt. He dropped any defense involving accidental wear, or not intending the result to be an illegal weapon, instead he went stright to "Im not a citizen here, so you cant arrest or prosecute me".
CRACK POT!!!!
What do you think it would do to help you if you claimed to be a representative from a foriegn government after you as a lifetime American citizen were arrested for possession of illegal drugs, the judge would give you the maximum sentence and tell you to get help for your mental issues.

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Sir:

If in your response, you refer to Olafson, from what I've read of this case, the defendant made no claim of "diplomatic immunity", though I could have missed something in my reading.

In the event you reference the Kuan or Quan case, here the defendant was acquitted, and it turns out that "government agents" a gentleman from the Firearms Technology Branch ADMITTED to having tampered with evidence, the firearm in question, in a criminal case. I would think that such antics would constitute a serious failing on the part of the prosecution, DOJ and BATF, with or without the recently added "E".

Regarding the Glover case, the defendant "walked" on a directed verdict, or dismissal WITH PREJUDICE of the case by the trial judge, after testimony by Mr. Savage, which brought to light some "interesting" facts, facts that the BATF examiner was "unaware" of. Seems as if that circumstance might, in part be, the source of some of Mr. Savages ongoing problems with BATFE, but that is a supposition on my part.
 
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In the event you reference the Kuan or Quan case, here the defendant was acquitted, and it turns out that "government agents" a gentleman from the Firearms Technology Branch ADMITTED to having tampered with evidence, the firearm in question, in a criminal case. I would think that such antics would constitute a serious failing on the part of the prosecution, DOJ and BATF, with or without the recently added "E".
Actually, that's entirely EXPECTED behavior when you know the history of the BATF(E). After all, what else WOULD you expect from an organization which produced an OFFICIAL video on how to lie under oath in court? When you look up the history of the "Brady" doctrine in a law book, it could double as a recent history of the BATF(E).
 
The Olofson and Kwan cases aside, what really jumped out at me about that interview was the ATF "forward tracing initiative". Does anyone have any further information about this? Yeah, I know it's April 1st and all, but I highly doubt people like Len and Aaron would joke around about something like this.

Essentially, it sounds like ATF is trying to compile a list of owners of "certain types of firearms". There's only one reason to be doing this.
 
Alan, no Im referring to the lunatic Olofson or whatever his name is. He tried claiming that the laws of the US dont affect him because he believes himself to be a representative of a soviergn entity (Michigan militia), not a citizen of the US. Before court he tried to use the "worn parts defense" but the purchases of M-16 fully automatic and 3 rd burst parts defeated that defense.
On top of all of this he said to the possible buyer that the weapon had a 3rd selection of the safety switch, a special selection, and to try it out at the nearby public range. The interested party did this and reported the 3 rd burst capability of the weapon immediately to the authorities.
No, I havent read up on the other cases. Sometime I will, there are crookedf people in all walks of life, and all careers. Its a bad picture of LEO everywhere when a very few are no more honest than the criminals they seek to stop.
 
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No, I havent read up on the other cases. Sometime I will, there are crookedf people in all walks of life, and all careers. Its a bad picture of LEO everywhere when a very few are no more honest than the criminals they seek to stop.

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From what I've read of the Olafson case, the rifle MALFUNCTIONED, firing a couple of shots with a single actuation of it's trigger, then jammed. If, as seemingly was claimed by the government, a malfuctioning semiautomatic is a machinegun, then I guess that I'm really lucky, for during the course of shooting competitions, and this happened 4 times with 3 different 1911 type pistols, 2 different the pistols went full automatic and on 2 ocassions another "doubeled", that is fired 2 shots with a single actuation of the trigger. Luckily for me, nobody called the police to report the use of this "machinegun", which was in fact a MALFUCTIONING semiautomatic pistol. If memory serves, and this was years ago, I once saw a Garand go full auto, this due to a worn rifle, containing worn or worse parts. The shooter picked himsself up off the grass, with an "What the hell happened there" look on his face, but was unharmed. That Garand goping full auto got everyone's attention. BTW, regarding Olafson's rifle, as I understand, except for it's somewhat advanced age, it had been manufactured 20 plus years previously, it remained, "as manufactured", that is to say, unaltered, except perhaps for such changes as might have been made by The BATFE, who have been known to do that sort of thing.

As to you not having read up on the other cases, should the opportunity present itself, do so. You might find these matters interesting.
 
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I just realized who was being referenced.The gun slam fired and the atf could not get it to shoot so they got ammo that was known to have tender primers and was not recomended to use in semi autos because of this.federal is the ammo. and as I understand he loaned the gun.I have had the atf spy make friends with me and try to buy guns and once broughht an M16 to my house with no numbers.it went on for a yr,I smelled rotton fish as every where they said they went there was a hit.and one was my club vis president.they are scum.:rolleyes::uhoh:
 
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