Recent Police Poll on Gun Control: Must see

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I have a subscription to POLICE magazine. They have an entire article based around a poll given to police officers about gun control.

I wont type out all the numbers except for the poll that I think is extremely important and interesting.

It reads.

"If a new gun ban were passed and if so ordered, would you assist in the confiscation of firearms from owners who had previously met all legal requirements?"

Yes - 34.3%
NO - 65.7%!!!

I just thought I would share.

Out of 1562 officers polled from all over the country, those are the results.

So before you criticize the LE community for assisting gun grabbers and what they might do in the future, I thought I would post some numbers.
 
The percentages would vary depending on where the officers are. I suspect many more would agree to in places like San Francisco, NYC, etc., and more would be against in areas with more pro-gun people.
 
That's good to read. I'd like to see 100% saying no, but 2/3 isn't too bad.

I wonder how broad of a pool they got the numbers from. I would tend to think the "yes" answers would be greater in more liberal areas like Chicago, but that may not be the case.
 
Yeah, well, thats real nice to hear and easy to say when being polled and really have nothing at stake, like saying "Molon Labe" and "From my cold, dead hands" but, what will they really do when their livelihoods are on the line?

How many laws which are actually unconstitutional do those same cops enforce now?

Talk is cheap.
 
Aboutthe same percentage of those Marines polled some years ago in that infamous questionaire, "would you fire on American citizens to confiscate thier firearms", and 1/3 said yes. Not just police then, is it.
 
You have to wonder why? Is it they are afraid they are not equipped to handle a task of such magnitude? Or is it they honestly feel that the citizens have the RKBA? If they knew that they were properly equipped and have the support of the majority would they?

There are to many variables. I would like to think that there are that many pro-gun LEOs. If 2/3 of police are pro-gun they why dont we see those 2/3 take control of LEO organizations that are being manipulated by anti-gun politicians to further an anti-gun agenda? Why dont 2/3 of the LEOs in Wisconsin stand up when the reason the CCW bill was vetoed was due to no LE support (according to anti-gun politicians like Doyle)?
 
How old is that poll?


The percentages would vary depending on where the officers are. I suspect many more would agree to in places like San Francisco, NYC, etc., and more would be against in areas with more pro-gun people.
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Honest folk in New Orleans are still trying to get their confiscated firearms back from Mayor "Mr. Chocolate City" Nagin?
 
The poll was given in last months issue and the results came out this month.

The poll results came in from all over the country so I cannot attest to the locations of the officers.
 
Yeah, well, thats real nice to hear and easy to say when being polled and really have nothing at stake, like saying "Molon Labe" and "From my cold, dead hands" but, what will they really do when their livelihoods are on the line?
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My thoughts exactly.
 
This poll isn't positive-- it is an OUTRAGE.

EVEN AFTER the courts have ruled that the confiscations down here during Katrina WERE ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL, 1 out of EVERY 3 LEO's STILL said they will enforce an ILLEGAL ORDER.

If this were ANY other issue, we would call it an epidemic of police abuse.


What if you found out that 1 out of every 3 LEOs beat confessions out of minorites?

What if you found out that 1 out of every 3 LEOs took drug dealer payoffs?

What if you found out that 1 out of every 3 LEO's molested children?


This tells me that we have FAR TOO many JBT's in our Law Community.


John
 
EVEN AFTER the courts have ruled that the confiscations down here during Katrina WERE ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL, 1 out of EVERY 3 LEO's STILL said they will enforce an ILLEGAL ORDER.
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Regardless I think most of them think that average gun owners are not going to shoot cops, I believe they think people will be peacible about the whole thing, I tend to disagree, I believe most gun owners would stand up and say "not going to happen", talk is cheap until you hit the streets with it, for either side.
 
It's easy to say in the abstract, but when faced with losing one's job, home etc, I wonder how many would take off the badge and hand in the gun?

Or would the "frog boil" work on LEOs as well, where incremental gun control became the norm?

How many cops have quit the Chicago CAGE Unit?
 
I discussed this type a thing a while back with my friend at work who is an EX-LEO, he gave me a similiar result most of the cops in his dept would not follow the order, basically cause its not worth their lives to follow that and most were collectors and enthusiasts.
 
would you fire on American citizens to confiscate thier firearms"
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The army put out a questionaire in 1990, IIRC that I had to fill in. Had roughly the same question.

Upon further reflection, "could we count on you to do this", or "are you mind numbed enough to do this, moron".
 
That's in line with a lot of other police polls I've seen over the years.

For the most part, the rank & file police who don't have a dog in the political race are widely supportive of RKBA.

The big exception, though, is deep blue states like CA and NJ, where RKBA has been largely viewed as a highly conditional and dodgy privilege for more than a generation. In these places, the mix is skewed. Don't get me wrong, I knew plenty of RKBA supporting cops in these places, but they were fewer and farther between than elsewhere.

Thus, you get the 30ish percent, and the events in NOLA.

I can't entirely blame the cops. Say you're a NYC cop, born and bred there all your life. Responsible gunowners are pretty rare and closeted, due to the hoops flambe they have to jump through, and as a result, you don't have a lot of experience with a responsibly armed public excercising their natural rights. In fact, most of the people you come into contact with who aren't cops and who are armed are...the bad guys. Consequently, you come to view any armed not leo as a potential, er, probable threat. Because you've never known anything else, or any other way, you fully accept, uncritically, the notion that the lawfullness of guns is highly conditioned upon having complete and correct paperwork, the absence of which is an important tool to you in your job.
 
Sampling can sway a survey greatly. We don't know how it was taken. I like what I read, but I am not convinced that what I read does or does not reflect the true sentiments of most police. There is simply too much unknown about how the poll was conducted.
 
I discussed this type a thing a while back with my friend at work who is an EX-LEO, he gave me a similiar result most of the cops in his dept would not follow the order, basically cause its not worth their lives to follow that and most were collectors and enthusiasts.
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At the risk of being labeled an internet chest thumper, I will point out that the value of the armed citizen is less in the citizen's actual ability and willingness to fight, and much more so in the deterrent that they might, and the possibility that at least some of them know how to properly go about it.
 
"Out of 1562 officers polled from all over the country, those are the results."


not a very valid poll IMO
 
At the risk of being labeled an internet chest thumper, I will point out that the value of the armed citizen is less in the citizen's actual ability and willingness to fight, and much more so in the deterrent that they might, and the possibility that at least some of them know how to properly go about it.
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He said something similiar, basically came down to they dont know how many would fight it, but they knew that the police force could not do the job, nor would many of them.


P.S. I was'nt meaning to chest thump or anything like it I only stated what I remember from the conversation.
 
34.3 % of those responding are premeditated oath breakers if this is correct.
Just a flat fact. It is reassuring that the majority wouldn't go along--but not very much so. T

No more impressive than the Combat Arms Survey results from California in the early 90's. Lots of willing dupes there too.

It's nasty human nature; 34.3 % get refered for Gestapo duty. I'm sure they'll get to keep whatever they like and rough up whomever is selected if they themselves can avoid fast death. :) I wish them luck.
 
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