Recoil: .357 vs .44 mag

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I currently own a Dan Wesson Model 15-2V .357 Magnum with a 4" barrel and wooden grips. I am considering the purchase of a S&W Model 29 .44 Magnum with a 4" barrel and pachmayer grips. Can someone tell me the difference between the recoil of these two? I am totally ignorant about this, but I would imagine the .44 recoil is more. I guess my question is how much more? Would it be uncomfortable to shoot? Won't the pachmayer grips help with recoil?

Also, the model 29 is nickel. Is there any difference in maintenance with a nickel gun as opposed to stainless or blued?

I'm always eager to learn--looking forward to helpful, informative replies.

Regards, fiVe
 
In my experience most folks who are comfortable shooting a .357 Magnum pistol with a wide variety of loads can take on the .44 Magnum and with practice learn to handle it well. The two keys are that if you're not yet fully comfortable with the .357 Magnum, then the .44 Magnum will destroy your shooting hand, break your ribs and fracture your skull - okay so I exaggerated a little. The second point is practice. Many folks get intimidated by big bore guns and so never put in the practice to learn to shoot 'em and have fun with 'em.

Yes good grips that fit your hand do help with managing the impact of recoil, but any 4" .44 Magnum is going to be a handful - start with .44 Specials or light magnum loads and work your way up slowly. The S&W 29/629 is a great gun but its not as heavy (especially in the 4" variety) as some others so you'll get plenty of 'excitement' from it with heavier loads. Dennis
 
A few details in this post may not be exactly right (if so, our experts will correct me), however, there is a common concern re nickel-plated firearms.

Some older model nickel-plated firearms have a copper base to which the nickel was electro-statically applied. The copper can be undermined by kerosene/petroleum-based solvents (such as Hoppes #9). When the copper base erodes, it causes the nickel to flake/chip off. This can occur when there is only a slight break in the nickel plate, which exposes the copper undercoat. Therefore, care should be taken to use non-petroleum based cleaning, lubricating and preservation materials, such as Breakfree CPL.
 
I would have to say that the recoil of the 357 is hard and sharp, whereas the recoil of the 44 is a little harder and rolls much more. I won't say that the 44 is wrist killer, as long as you use good form during firing. My opinion is based on shooting 357's in a S&W 640-1, a model 19 with a 4 inch barrel and Herret's wooden stocks, and a Ruger GP-100 with a six inch barrel. My 44's are a 6 inch S&W model 29 with Pachmayer Presentation stocks and a Ruger Super Redhawk. The difference in recoil can be significant when going down in barrel length.

I started shooting years ago with a Dan Wesson that had an 8 inch barrel, shot a lot of 38 Specials, then Magnums, then I moved down to shooting 6 inch 357's, then the 4 and the 2-1/8 inch barreled 357's. My first experience with 44 Magnum was with a Ruger Blackhawk with a 4-5/8 inch barrel. For years after that, I avoided 44's like the plague. When I decided it was time to move up in calibers, I bought the Super Redhawk because the stocks were very comfortable and the revolver is just plain heavy and soaks up the recoil. Now I am learning with the S&W model 29 and starting with light to middle power loads.

So if you really want a 4 inch model 29, be sure you are very comfortable with full power magnums in your 357, then start with 44 Specials in that model 29 before you unleash those 240 grain Magnum loads.

As far as the nickel finish goes, my model 29 is nickel plated. I clean it with Breakfree CLP and Flitz polish. What really destroys most nickel finishes is the ammonia in many bore solvents. Ammonia reacts with copper jacket fouling and dissolves it, it also will react with the copper plating that is underneath many nickel finishes, dissolving it and allowing nickel to lift and flake. Solvents can also attack the surface of the nickel finish and give it a yellow or cloudy appearance.
 
I would say that as long as you're exercising proper technique & you are comfortable shooting 357magnums, you should be fine shooting the 44 mags too. Don't let it intimidate you & have fun shooting it!
 
The 44 has considerably more recoil. Unless you think the full power 357 loads feel like a pop-gun the 44 is going to be a pretty big change. You can always shoot 44 specials and work into the magnums, but quite honestly the 357 is beyond the comfort zone of most shooters and they would be better served with a lesser powered gun that they can shoot well.

You will be going from a 400-ish lb/ft of energy gun to a 800-ish gun with similar velocities. Similar velocities means the "sharpness" will be relatively close. The 44 will be heavier, but not even 25% more. Very different animals but the 44 can be learned easily.

#1 key with a powerful handgun? DON'T FIGHT IT!!!!!! Roll with it and control it, don't try to force control or it will be more painful and frustrating.
 
Felt recoil is very subjective, but in general the 44 is going to recoil more. How much more? It's all going to depend on the loads you put through it and what you've been shooting in your 357. Maybe a lot more, maybe not much at all. If you jump straight to some 300gr hunting loads it will be uncomfortable to shoot. If you start with 44 Specials to get used to the gun, then (assuming you don't handload) try some factory 180 gr, then move up to the 240's.

The 44 isn't a raging uncontrollable beast, but it does take some getting used to.

A lot of people like grips like Pachmayers, but I prefer smooth wood grips on heavy recoiling guns. The rubber grips "stick" to your hand more and for me that means they quickly wear a blister or tear off skin. Smooth wood doesn't do that.

I would try to find one to shoot first before spending several hundred dollars on something you may not want.
 
In comparable sixguns the recoil feels about twice as much to me. I'm talking standard loads such as 158 gr. vs 240 gr. The rubber grips will help but I like wood better. I used service stocks with a Tyler T grip. Worked great for my hand.
 
Comparing my 6" 686 357 mag and my 6.5" 629 44 mag there is a definite difference in felt recoil when shooting magnum loads. However the difference is easily tolerable between THESE 2 guns if one is already proficient with the 357.

On the other hand I had a 10" 44 mag barrel for my TC Contender and a 10" 357 mag barrel. Now have a pair of 357 barrels - no more 44s - the recoil difference was very noticeable - the 44 was actually painful to shoot.

Then there are actually instances depending on the gun and grips where the 357 can be more unpleasant to shoot. My 2.5" Model 66 357 with the slender checkered wood grips was not comfortable to shoot . Once owned a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag with the 10.5" barrel and it was the most comfortable shooting 44 I have ever fired - much more so than the 2.5" 357 with checkered wood grips.
 
Your very first trigger pull will be an eye opener. After that it all becomes fun untill you hit the heavy 300 grainers screaming out the barrel. Start off with light loads first, then slowly work your way up. Don't punish yourself, just take your time and have fun.
 
I agree, in that the first shot from your 44 will have you saying, "holy s***."

But, since you know what to expect, the rest will be fine.

Wear a shooters glove. For my small wrists, I have found that wearing a wrist brace (for weight lifters) eliminates any soreness.
 
Season's Greetings To All-

Felt recoil, is mostly a matter best left to personal
opinion's. With that said, firing full power .357 magnum
load's from any 4" standard (no PPC Douglas, or
fully lugged) barrel; the subjected recoil will be harsh.
However, with modern technology of grip design such
as with Pachmayr's de-accelerator's recoil can become
manageable. Keep in mind that barrel length plays a
very important part here; cuz these loads fired from
say the 4" S&W model 19 will feel quite a bit different
as opposed to those fired from a 6" Colt Python, or a
6" Ruger KGP-161. For comparison only, the 4" S&W
model 19 and a 4" Ruger Security-Six come pretty
close to the same preceived recoil; as both firearms
weigh about the same.

OTOH, the .44 magnum is more of a K-BOOM with a
rearward push. I found out early on that a 6" Colt
Python using maximum power loading data, with
Speer's old 146 grain half-jacketed hollow point's*
recoiled upward more than my 4" S&W model 29 using
factory 240 grain JHP's. I ended up putting a set
of Herrett's Shooting Star grips on the Python, in
order to help tame recoil.

*FootNote- I don't think Speer offers the 146 grain
half-jacketed JHP's anymore?

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
 
The half jackets were great bullets. I tried the .41 half jackets and they were great in my Bisley. Sadly there are none to be found these days.
 
It’s all relative to the weight of the gun in my opinion. The .357 Mag. in a light weight gun like S&W’s 11 or 12 ounce snubby’s has a more brutal quick snap recoil that feels like it will rip your thumb off and it also hurts your wrist compared to a loud boom and the muzzle raising up high with a heavy .44 Mag Revolver that gives a more pleasurable type of recoil as compared to the .357 Mag in a light gun. But on the other hand S&W now makes the Model 329PD Revolver which is a 26 ounce .44 Mag with a pretty short barrel that is the KING of recoil and is more painful to shoot than their new .500 Mag. Revolver because of the weight difference between a 26 ounce gun to a 70 something ounce gun.
I personally like guns with lots of recoil that are controllable like the Desert Eagle 50AE but there again weight is the key as the Desert Eagle is a 70 + ounce gun also.

DE
 
The subject of recoil is so subjective!

But, in general, the 44 mag will have more recoil than a 357 mag.

For me, recoil is related to the sound the guns make. I am much less affected by recoil when I wear adequate hearing protection. So, I wear ear protection whenever I shoot - even hunting! I have a pair of those fancy electronic shoting "ear muffs" that I wear in the woods. Makes a big difference! Good shooting;)
 
Everyone will feel recoil differently.

For me, the .357 magnum recoil is quite mild in a mid-sized revolver (GP 100). The 158 grains especially feel mild to me. The 180 and 200 grain hunting loads' recoil will draw your attention, but they don't really bother me much. The 125 grain bullets feel very snappy to me, but their overall recoil is less than the 180/200 grain hunting loads.

I haven't shot a .357 magnum load thru my GPs that bothers me in the least.

Now, the .44 magnum is a different story. I can shoot .44 specials with no problem, and moderately loaded .44 magnums with only mild discomfort. However, the really hot 300 grain hunting loads feel like a baseball bad just smashed against my hand. Part of the problem might be the gun's grip--the Redhawk has a wood/steel grip and no rubber to absorb the impact. But I'm sure a good portion of the problem is me. I simply don't practice much with hot loads--since I don't hunt I really don't need to use hot .44 magnum loads. I'm content shooting mostly .44 specials and moderately loaded .44 magnum loads.
 
Well, I took the plunge. This model 29 is a real beauty. We'll start out with light stuff & see where it goes from there.

Thanks for ALL the GREAT info.

Regards, fiVe
 
fiVe: Good luck and enjoy. I haven't had a .44 Magnum for a while. Two days ago I bought a Acusport 5.5" SS Ruger Bisley in .44 Magnum. It looks beautiful, it slaps my hand, it roars very fiercely, and shoots straight. I'm in love again! Dennis
 
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