"Recoil rail" + slidefire legality

[RTR_RTR]

Any opinions from those well versed in the law and ATF opinion?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH2_ixNQxls&feature=player_embedded#t=0

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Very interesting! Like a recoiless rifle.

I wonder if the ATF would say that when combined with a slidefire stock the spring in the bipod adapter is helping pull the trigger like the Akins Accelerator.

The price!

Mike

 

[MrM4]

I don't see this ending well, but who knows.

 

[Schwing]

This concept is not new. Since the stock literally slides the trigger back across your finger and your finger is technically depressing the trigger for each shot, this is completely legal.

Fun yes... but very hard to have any kind of accuracy. There is a home made solution that I have seen used where you wrap a rubber band behind the trigger and attach the other end to the front of your gun somewhere. This forces the trigger forward again after each shot so all you have to do is keep the appropriate amount of pressure on the trigger and it appears to be full auto. I am sure the term "bump firing" has been seen before

 

[Dframe]

Schwing is 100% correct. These spring devices have been around for decades. the slidefire people simply improved it's function by relocating the spring mechanism to the stock where it's a bit more stable. While they are NOT regulated federally one would be advised to check local laws particularly in gun hostile places.
As far as the utility of the slide fire? Once you get beyond the cute factor I can't really see much. It simply turns your gun into a bullet hose. And Like a full auto gun, buying ammo for one would get expensive real quick.

 

[Telekinesis]

This concept is not new. Since the stock literally slides the trigger back across your finger and your finger is technically depressing the trigger for each shot, this is completely legal.

The slide fire stock isn't really the issue, it's the fact that there is a spring involved, a la Atkins Accelerator, which was at first approved by the ATF as a legal mod, then later ruled a machine gun because the spring was acting to assist the trigger pull. What makes the standard slide fire stock different is the fact that there is no spring and the forward force on the gun is applied by the shorter himself.

Incorporating a spring to aid in the trigger pull (even if not in the stock itself) could be seen as a machine gun by the ATF, or they could decide that there's nothing wrong with it. My expectation would be that they rule it a machine gun, but it'll be interesting to see how this works out.

 

[wally]

More constructive possession headaches if you have both

The only spring in the Slide-Fire stock if for the plunger that prevents it from sliding for use as a normal stock.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

More constructive possession headaches if you have both

The only spring in the Slide-Fire stock if for the plunger that prevents it from sliding for use as a normal stock.

According to ATF ruling 2011–4: "A firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they . . . serve no useful purpose other than to make . . ."
Both parts would still have other purposes.

Mike

 

[jojo200517]

Just want to point out that the URLS offered in the description of the youtube vid are both coming up dead for me

Edit: they working for me now, must have just been some bugs caught up in the interwebs when I tried earlier.

$270 bucks seems kinda pricey

 

[Arizona_Mike]

Just want to point out that the URLS offered in the description of the youtube vid are both coming up dead for me

Both links work for me.

Mike