Recommend self defense sites for women

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tank mechanic

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My step mom is finally taking the plunge into purchasing a self defense fire arm after spending her entire life being an anti. She had an incident where she realized that you are ultimately responsible for your own safety. Can someone recommend a website or two that are specifically geared towards women and the use of firearms? I think that if she saw how women are actually a very big part of the gun culture it would help her feel more comfortable with this new life style. Thanks.
 
Given the rate of sexual assault and domestic violence women need to learn to fight, particularly with tools that negate disadvantages in size and strength, more than almost any man not in a military combat zone.
 
I second Cornered Cat. It is the single best women & firearms resource online, by far. I put a link to it in my course packets when i teach CCW.
 
Because when you're 5' tall and 100 pounds like my daughter it's a lot better to use a .45 than your fists. Trying to kung fu a guy twice your size may work if you spend your life in a dojo, otherwise a 1911 is very comforting.
 
tellner ~

Well, the question is posted on a gun board, after all.

Furthermore it's all very nice and empowering to believe you could just knee someone in the nuts and he'd instantly curl up and puke while you skip off to safety, but far too many women have discovered, to their sorrow, that it's not quite that simple when dealing with a determined assailant.

While there are a few basic strikes and escapes that nearly anyone could learn in a weekend, the truth is that if you want to become proficient at empty hand defense it is going to take far more time to learn than it takes to become even moderately skilled with a handgun. And even someone relatively unskilled with a handgun can still use one effectively to defend herself, something that is not true for empty hands martial arts.

They don't call it an equalizer for nothing.

pax
 
Pax, if you're going to be a touch snarky please allow me to inject a touch of realism as well.

First, most self defense doesn't play into the fantasies of brandishing your Talismanic Power Object the Sacred Gun and fighting off the hordes. Most of it doesn't involve physical contact at all. When a gun is appropriate nothing else is nearly as good. When it isn't, and that's most of the time, it's just two pounds of junk.

Second, even if you carry concealed the gun isn't always available, isn't always appropriate, isn't always safe, isn't always legal. And situations aren't always Fun House friendly. They can be ambiguous, develop slowly, involve conflicted emotions and a lot of other things that don't come within a hundred miles of "shoot - don't shoot" or choosing the proper tacticool accessory to balance your tricked out Kimber.

Third, if anyone, especially women believes that self defense starts and ends with a gun she is trading one sort of dangerous dependence for another one.

You can say it several ways "When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail," is a good one. So is "It's not going to hop out of its box and defend you." Or how about "Your safety starts and ends with you." If it doesn't start with attitude, self worth, agency, awareness, cussed refusal to be a victim and most of all a belief that self protection is a good thing it's not going to work no matter how many hours you've spent on handgun selection.

Take a look at what people have said here. It comes down to "Without a gun a woman is helpless." Dependence. Helplessness. No hope except to put her faith in the Protective Talisman. The only thing that self defense means to a lot of people here - other than the part that fits in with their gun hobby - is "kneeing him...in the nuts". That shows as profound an ignorance of mindset and all of the other tools a woman has at her disposal as I've seen in years. It's what the bad guy is waiting for. It's not a great disabler. There are much better options if the defender is willing to really do violent harmful things to the criminal. Just to pick a random example, how about The Sublime Meditation of the Four Excellent Verbs?

If women really swallow the line "You can't do anything. Your only options are to use a weapon, be rescued by someone else or be a victim" then they will be victims every single time unless someone rescues them or the inanimate object saves the day.

If she rejects the lies, and they are lies, then she is not helpless as long as she is still breathing. And even if it doesn't work out - there are no guarantees in life except that it ain't nohow permanent - she'll almost always be better off for doing the best that she can and failing rather than believing she was helpless and weak and giving up or making a half-hearted gesture.

Yes, a gun makes a very limited set of situations a lot easier. But even the best training doesn't make it the best tool for the job in a single other one. And even in the ones that it does "You have to have the gun or there's nothing you can do" is absolutely the wrong answer. It reinforces in women's minds that they're weak, helpless and can't do a darned thing for themselves.

And they can. We have almost thirty years of evidence from a wide variety of sources, many methodologies, many different sources of data and researchers from all sorts of disciplines that show that women are not helpless if they don't happen to have The Holy Gun to Protect them. That's why about three quarters of rape attempts are not successful. And that's just the ones that aren't dealt with before it gets to the point where we can call it that.

Fourth, a fixation on one tool can blind you to situations that don't fit in with the training. If it's not what you think about or what you practice it's not what you notice. And at up to a thousand bucks a weekend you can be guaranteed that even the best gun training is going to focus on where and how to use a gun.

We tried for years to start women out with weapons. Almost all of the few that we found were unusual. Some were already fundamentally fighters. They didn't need anything except an expanded set of technical skills. Worse, many figured that since they knew how to use that particular weapon they were now safe. They still didn't believe that there was anything they could do besides squeeze the trigger. They were still frightened. And in a strange way most of them were more inhibited about violence. Their solution was to push it away into the delicate act of sight alignment, trigger pull and wait for the police.

Then we started teaching from the inside out. We went down the "posture, voice and eye contact" route and found that it was just acting, and most of the women didn't believe they could act that well.

Then we went with the old truths that the body trains the mind and the body doesn't lie. Once they discovered their own personal capacity to use force they believed they were not helpless. No, they couldn't win a boxing match with Sugar Ray Leonard or out wrestle Rickson Gracie. But they could do what they could do and not be paralyzed by fear. And they had conscious access to the sorts of anger, determination and will to prevail that make all the rest possible.

When we stuck the deterrence stuff at the end of the training it was a lot more effective. Yeah, the woofers we brought in were still big and scary, but the students didn't back down or twist their clothes or giggle or give ground.

Most significantly, they started asking about guns, knives and whatnot as a way of increasing their options. They knew what they had and wanted to fill in the gaps. They didn't feel that the gun (plus training, yes, yes, yes, I know) would make them safe. They made them safe. They were the weapon. The tool was just a means to an end. The confidence and will to use it came from within as an extension of who they were rather than an answer imposed by someone else.

"Only a gun can keep me safe" or "I will take care of myself one way or another. What makes sense for me here and now?"

Which do you think is better? Honestly?

While we're at it, let's kick a few holes in the Mama Bear thing.

Every time we cover legal and moral aspects of self defense we run across a few who couldn't hurt/cripple/kill on their own behalf. But they would do anything to defend a child or some other helpless person in their care. They still don't think that they are worth taking care of. With an attitude like that every gun that rolled off the Colt Assembly lines won't do them a bit of good when they're the ones in danger. There's a change that needs to happen first. And that requires a different course of training than you get at FAS, LFI or Thunder Ranch or from any number of pictures of gals with earmuffs and wraparound sunglasses in Women & Guns.

It plays into a bunch of cultural things which come too close to the "F word" for some people with delicate sensibilities. I won't go too far down that road. Suffice it to say that limiting it to protecting the baby is a nice safe way of channeling a woman's capacity for violent defense into one special area. It still denies she is worth much outside of her children.

Yes, this is a gun forum. But if you want self defense for women you need resources far beyond guns. When the question is "What do I need to know about self defense?" then the answer "Here is a lot of information about guns" isn't the right answer.
 
tellner ~

Except for the accusation of snarkiness -- which I categorically deny -- there's not a word in your post that I disagree with.

The Mama Bear thing, in particular, has always gotten under my skin. Even if I'd never given birth, my life would still be worth defending. Put that baldly, everyone nods and says yes yes of course, but most people never look at it quite that baldly. They just kind of assume that the only lever that works to activate a woman's sense of self-preservation is that one.

And we are far afield of the OP's intent, borderline into threadjacking, given that he asked for links to sites which discuss women, self defense, and firearms use.

pax
 
If I may suggest...

* Aikido has worked for me. The teacher I had was very street savvy; he had served in the israeli forces. The hardest thing I had to get through is the sensation of panic when being attacked, and only in practice did it go away. I never had the experience of of physically fighting/winning/losing, like most men do when growing up. Women usually did'nt attack physically; it was more like verbal attacks & I likened the tears in my dress, spilling drinks in my lap, etc. to guerilla warfare. totally underhand, but it worked for them. so basically, you have to retrain your head, until it becomes part of you, and ceases to a be concious effort.

* Er..Umm..Uh...Many common household objects can be used with intent as a weapon of sorts. I did a nasty thing to coworker with a frozen lamb leg once when groped in the freezer at work when I was young ( i was professional chef once.). La femme nikita has a scene where she uses an old fashioned wood pencil to great advantage. You might want to have a home attack practice, and have fun seeing what 'weapons' you come up with.


* Getting myself into reasonably good shape did help a great deal. My confidence was built up knowing I could run & not drop after 25 yards.

I guess I'm a poor follow up to Tellner ( that was quite an impressive speech, BTW - pax? snarky? is that akin to smarmy?:D ) & Pax, but developing a defensive mindset is the single most important thing anyone can do when learning the art of self defence.

sites of personal interest:

http://www.threeriversaikido.com/

http://www.geocities.com/uechiryuwest/DefMindset.txt

http://classics.mit.edu/Tzu/artwar.html

more trivia available on request.
 
Post number 13,

While it may not have been specifically about guns, I'd have to say that is the best post I've read about women and self-defense. 2thumbs up!
 
Because when you're 5' tall and 100 pounds like my daughter it's a lot better to use a .45 than your fists. Trying to kung fu a guy twice your size may work if you spend your life in a dojo, otherwise a 1911 is very comforting
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While a agree that an armed woman is a "good thing", please don't dismiss the martial arts so lightly. A gun is not always a viable solution to an attack. I used to teach (when I was into the martial arts) a self defence class, mostly women. And believe me, with a minimal amount of training (I taught an 8 week course), a 100 lb. woman can EASILY take out a 250 Lb. male. What I taught were "disabling" strategies, that allowed them to escape. Nothing fancy, just stop the attack and run like heck. Alot of it was based on the fact that they soon understood that they were FAR from helpless, even when confronted witha a large (or multiple) attackers.
 
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I know I'm late to the party here, but I figure my two cents is worth what everbody else's two cents is worth.......................

I opened this thread because my wife is interested in getting a handgun for self-defense and it looked like there might be some good information here. When I read the opening post and saw, "Can someone recommend a website or two that are specifically geared towards women and the use of firearms?" I was pretty sure I would find some useful info here - and I have.

But then, PAX is called "snarky" and we get an essay on "a touch of realism", (with nothing new or particularly enlightening). What does that have to do with "recommending a website........use of firearms"?? PAX is spot on - this IS a gun board.

Could we make an effort to stay on topic here, folks, and help Tank Mechanic by answering his request?
 
Thanks for the sites. And the helpful reminders that the strongest weapon you have is the one in between your ears and simply resorting to the use of firearms should not be viewed as the only option. Her interest in fire arms is one that she is undertaking because she does not want to be one of the sheeple anymore. While she can learn maritial arts and hand to hand, she can much more easily learn to be proficient in a fire arm in a shorter amount of time, and I believe have more bases covered. After she has become proficient, then she could devote more time to the physical aspects and have all of her bases covered.
 
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Could we make an effort to stay on topic here, folks, and help Tank Mechanic by answering his request?

Yes, this is a firearms forum, But its also the "Strategy and Tactics" subforum.

And, in some cases a firearm is either not appropriate/innaccessable....And I think (and this applies to both men and women) that having a gun, gives a false sense of security. Which is one reason i opened up the discussion to martial arts training as well.

For example: Let's say a woman has a gun, in her purse. The BG comes from behind, and grabs her pinning her arms to her sides. She has NO WAY of reaching the gun and using it. However, with minimal martial arts training, she can disable the BG, get free and either escape, or deploy the gun as needed.
 
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