Since I have the CZ p07 I'll comment on that as it meets all your requirements at a sub $500 price. Even more interesting to you might be the fact that if you try da/sa and decide it is as bad as some people say, the cz comes with parts to make it a single action only (and with a nice trigger to boot). Also the grip is significantly smaller than many other doublestacks (almost too small for my hands), and still holds 16 + 1 to boot. Only downside is the slide is a little on the thick side for concealed carry. Other downside is the magazines are on the pricey side, but not out of line with any of the others suggested here and readily available from the company.
Recommendations: da/sa 9mm?
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I'd look at the Sig Sauer P11-A1.
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Right now several places have Italian police turn-in Beretta model 92 9mm's for sale for around $350, maybe less. Most are in very good condition. Some are completely unfired. This is a very good deal you might want to consider. I can post the names of the distributors if you are interested.
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Just a question. Are those Italian guns chambered in 9mm IMI?
I think the Grand Power P1mk7 compact frame is an awesome pistol for the money
http://www.jgsales.com/grand-power-p1-mk7-semi-auto-pistol,-9mm,-compact-frame,-new.-p-58146.html
http://www.jgsales.com/grand-power-p1-mk7-semi-auto-pistol,-9mm,-compact-frame,-new.-p-58146.html
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IMO if you have small hands the CZ P01 should be perfect.
Yea I've been researching and gravitating towards the new 2014 updated 15 round CZ-07. It still accepts the old 16 round magazines, but the newer 15 rounders have had some updates down to them. The updated version also has interchangeable back straps (S,M,L), so I'll have options.
I didn't know that I could make it s/a only if I wanted too though, so thanks for pointing that out. As far as da/sa being bad, why do so many people and L.E. feel perfectly fine carrying them when hitting your target could be the difference between life and death, but then go on to say they're not good enough or subpar to compete with? I personally like da/sa firearms, plus I like to be different, so I do not want a M&P and definitely not a Glock.
Is having a different trigger pull only on the first of several shots really that big of a deal?
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What about an HK P2000 or P2000SK? I think Variant 3 was their DA/SA model.
S&W 5900 series as mentioned (5903/5904 for the alloy models) or 3900 series for something smaller (except that i don't think this is a double-stack mag). (EDIT: Nevermind, I think the 3900's were DAO anyway).
S&W 5900 series as mentioned (5903/5904 for the alloy models) or 3900 series for something smaller (except that i don't think this is a double-stack mag). (EDIT: Nevermind, I think the 3900's were DAO anyway).
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TimboKhan
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I have personally never seen what the big deal is with da/sa is. I mean, personal preference aside, it's not particularly hard to get used to. But, I also think that there is a lot of hot air floating around about trigger quality to begin with so there is that.
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I think these old Berettas are a great buy, and most people would never wear one out, but I wouldn't recommend them to someone looking to do really extensive shooting. A modern 92FS/92A1 will be far more durable.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, aluminum alloy metallurgy for firearms has come a long, long way since the time these guns were produced. (These guns were manufactured at some point from 1978 to 1982. They are date-stamped "BU," which stands for 2004, but this is only the year that they were proofed once Beretta sought to move them to the civilian market, not the year they were made.) Aluminum alloy-framed service pistols of that time -- from Beretta, Sig, S&W, Walther -- routinely cracked frames at fairly low round counts. These guns are beautiful, and they show wonderful craftsmanship, but they should not be bought to serve as high-volume shooters.
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My Votes in order:
1. Beretta PX4 Storm: Shot the full size and compact, both are superbly accurate but recoil feels a little odd at first... maybe its that rotating barrel or my mind playing tricks
2. CZ P07: One of the comfiest feeling guns in my opinion, also has some great accuracy for its barrel length
3. SIG 2022: Might be a litle fat in the handle, but a great reliable and accurate option
4. EAA Witness/Armscor MAPP/Sarsilmaz CZ clones: great value for money
1. Beretta PX4 Storm: Shot the full size and compact, both are superbly accurate but recoil feels a little odd at first... maybe its that rotating barrel or my mind playing tricks
2. CZ P07: One of the comfiest feeling guns in my opinion, also has some great accuracy for its barrel length
3. SIG 2022: Might be a litle fat in the handle, but a great reliable and accurate option
4. EAA Witness/Armscor MAPP/Sarsilmaz CZ clones: great value for money
guyfromohio
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CZ P-07 meets every one of your criteria as stated. Great guns! Switching the safety is a 10 minute job. Mine came cocked/locked. I have zero mechanical ability and was able to do it while watching a youtube video instructing me.
The CZ 75 Compact D (PCR) and P-01 are not polymer or plastic, but they have a great first pull since the decocker places the hammer in a 1/3 cocked position. The first pull is very easy to tradition to subsequent pulls.
The CZ 75 Compact D (PCR) and P-01 are not polymer or plastic, but they have a great first pull since the decocker places the hammer in a 1/3 cocked position. The first pull is very easy to tradition to subsequent pulls.
One more recommending the Beretta PX4, but I am going to suggest you at least look at the full size model in addition to the Compact and Subcompact.
The PX4s all come with adjustable backstraps to reduce the grip size. So you might find the small grip on the full size works for you. And if not, there is still the Compact and Sub-Compact, as nominated by other PX4 enthusiasts.
The PX4s all come with adjustable backstraps to reduce the grip size. So you might find the small grip on the full size works for you. And if not, there is still the Compact and Sub-Compact, as nominated by other PX4 enthusiasts.
Congrats on the DA/SA decision, never understood why folks are scared of learning how to use a hammer fired gun. Point and pull the trigger, see it's not that hard.
I don't think I could recommend the 2014 CZ P-07 enough. Great accuracy, new trigger style (almost flat) dead solid reliable, easy to customize. You can even replace the "decocker" with a cocked and locked "safety" if you so desired.
I can shoot my P-09 better than any of my striker "every shot feels the same" fired pistols.
I don't think I could recommend the 2014 CZ P-07 enough. Great accuracy, new trigger style (almost flat) dead solid reliable, easy to customize. You can even replace the "decocker" with a cocked and locked "safety" if you so desired.
I can shoot my P-09 better than any of my striker "every shot feels the same" fired pistols.
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Ritepath is spot on. I took a defensive pistol course recently. The instructors advocated against anything but striker-fired, but I was at absolutely no disadvantage. In fact, the only two da/SA in the class were my PCR and the P-07 next to me. Neither of us had a single malfunction in 350 rounds....the same can't be said for the other striker-fired guns in the class. I gave my P-07 to my FIL for Christmas but for some reason I saved the extra mags and holsters.....my subconscious smacking me on the head.
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Yep, I was going to say the P99AS as well but Fishbed77 got it first. It's not hammer fired, but who cares...it's DA/SA with a very fine (short) reset...It's awesome!
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I'll 3rd/4th/5th whatever the P07, because it meets all your criteria, and ALSO has aftermarket support already available to make the trigger outstanding. If you keep competing you will probably want a nice trigger eventually (you'll probably want a full size gun too, and the P09 will be waiting). The trigger parts are the same between the 07 and 09, and people are getting some great triggers with aftermarket work.
I have a P09, and it is also very mechanically accurate beyond other plastic I've shot a lot, like Glocks and M&P. That combined with a great trigger can make it a poor man's Shadow... excellent for competition. It also has a lighter slide than most others which is a positive.
I have a P09, and it is also very mechanically accurate beyond other plastic I've shot a lot, like Glocks and M&P. That combined with a great trigger can make it a poor man's Shadow... excellent for competition. It also has a lighter slide than most others which is a positive.
ny32182
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DA/SA, not a big deal. Learn to pull the DA, just takes a little practice. Your reward is a superior trigger for the other ~20 shots on the stage.
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Also, the swap in factory parts is from a decocker (installed at the factory) to a safety (which will allow C&L carry if you want). It does NOT become SAO with the safety installed... it will still fire from DA.
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