Recording "public officials"

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With all the news/videos of police & public interactions gone bad, and with Illinois being one of the states that requires mutual consent, I've been looking at this statute.
I copied out of the ILCS reference manual at the local library and, now armed with the correct codes, searched it up online.
Here is the link to 720 ILCS 5/14-1

If you prefer, I have copied it to a Word document so that it is a bit easier to read. It comes out to 7 pages.

Needless to say, it isn't easy to read. I have spotted a couple of sections that MIGHT make it possible for us to record police encounters, but I would like to have others review it and see if they come up with the same sections.
 

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Several people have been arrested and jailed for filming the cops. It has gone through the courts and this is the results:

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/g ... t_09022011

For many years it has been established by the courts that anything that happens within public view is legal to photograph. This stems from the principle that the eye can not tresspass. I thought this would eventually be held up by the courts.

As long as you are some place you have a legal right to be, either on your property or public property, you have a right to photograph anything that you can see, even with a telescopic lenses. It only becomes a crime if you physically get in the way of the police when you take the photograph.
 
I would really like to know as to what would happen, if, say, you have a surveillance video system in your house, and you videotape a SWAT team breaking into your house, and turns out the clerk typing up the warrant transposed the house address numbers.

I would imagine, such evidence would be inadmissible in court proceedings.
 
An extremely interestng thread , given the current technology for "covert surveillance" available to anyone !

As a CDL I've longed for a "POV" recording system to document just what the idiot in the 4-wheeler did ! Now it seems we all have the technology affordably available ! It would also enable videoing of traffic stops as well ! IOW, if your license requires wearing of "corrective lenses" its possible to "tape" the stop via a camera in the glasses frame !


Is it "legal" ? I don't know ! Different states have different laws ! But I'd bet a lot any prosecutor would "bargain like hell" if your lawyer presented video evidence the officer "screwed the pooch" on a simple violation ! >MW
 
California requires both parties know they are being voice recorded, it cannot be hidden.
This was a law before video cameras were available and affordable to the average person. As a result pure video recording without audio typically does not require one to inform the other.

The funny result is a hidden video camera with audio can be violating the audio privacy law, while the footage itself could be legal without the audio.


However the audio law is not mutual consent, but rather the people being recorded need to know they are being recorded. They must merely be informed in some manner, not consent to it.
This stems from telephone taps. Many states only require that one side of the telephone conversion know that a telephone call is being recorded (while no sides knowing and the call being recorded by a third party without a warrant is a crime.)
Some states such as California on the other hand require that both sides of the telephone call know that they are being recorded. They do not have to specifically consent. If they are informed the call is being recorded everything after that point would be legal.
For example most banks and many other businesses will have a voice recording that informs the customer the call 'may be' recorded or monitored 'for quality assurance' or some other such nonsense. This is to allow them to legally record the call in states that require both parties to be informed.



The result is in California if a cop was to pull you over and you hit record on say your cell phone and recorded the audio of the entire incident without them knowing you could be committing a crime.
However if the phone is out and being used as a video camera clearing pointed and used in a manner that shows it is being used to record the incident, both the video and audio are valid because the act of openly recording is informing the person being recorded what is being done. (Of course a cop is not going to let someone use their cell phone, video camera, or other such device in many situations, and will have them in cuffs. One should also exercise caution in pointing objects at officers, in low light conditions a cell phone pointed can be mistaken for a gun.)
Likewise if you have a video camera you are clearly and openly using to record something, everyone is informed they are being recorded, making the audio valid. However if it is a hidden camera then the audio is a crime because those being recorded were not informed. A way around the hidden camera scenario is a sign that informs people they are being monitored or recorded by surveillance. This then makes the audio valid too, but only for a certain distance, a distance where it informs the regular person. You cannot simply have a sign at your house that someone needs to be within 100 feet to read and a surveillance system that can hear low audio down the street. (And yes there is both directional microphones and laser devices that can hear audio like a normal conversion from miles away. The lasers essentially become microphones where they are pointed, picking up vibrations from the hard surface, they can be pointed in a window from a mile away and hear what is being said within the room as if they were in the room. Or at certain hard objects outdoors near an outdoor target.
I have seen law enforcement openly using directional microphones configured like a rifle and aimed to listen in on drug deals miles away. They liked a hill that had a view of a bad part of town, and could often be observed pointing it towards people and listening to what was being said by individuals further than you could see with the naked eye. It was setup like a rifle, had a scope, and headphones (and recorded.)


In some areas of California it was not uncommon for incriminating recordings of the police that the police were aware about to go missing after being seized or taken as evidence in some areas. Or for the footage to be lost, damaged, or some other such 'accident'.
So the added risk when they know they are being recorded is that if the footage is seized it may become worthless, while if they don't know it is being taken it may be inadmissible in court and a criminal offense.
 
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