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There's no due process in a court with a judge???There is no due process in FISA, completely different. You might as well propose that we contrast fishing bans.
There's no due process in a court with a judge???There is no due process in FISA, completely different. You might as well propose that we contrast fishing bans.
This is a serious question and I do not know the answer.
Would a Red Flag law as you have proposed likely have prevented any of the recent mass shootings we are all familiar with?
There's no due process in a court with a judge???
The key here is the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' level for the burden of proof.
The problem is that under the US Constitution we are all assumed to be innocent until proven guilty. No other country that I know of has this written in their Constitution (if they even have one). In the UK and unfortunately also in the US, common law and Tort has removed that protection. Just ask OJ, he was successfully sued in a Tort even though he was found not guilty. You may not like OJ, you may believe he did it, but it was never proven, and yet he lost to a Tort.
This is in essence what a Red Flag Law is.
Decided by....a Jury of your peers. No thanks. I've seen what "my peers" look like.
btw I'm pretty thick skinned and have a good sens of humor LOL
"IF it helped". Those are the key words. Would you cut off your penis IF it helped prevent future rapes?
Red flag laws would be great if families were able to recognize a loved one being a danger to themselves or to others. Currently in every state if you are concerned about somebody being a danger a quick call to the police department does the same thing. I am concerned that families with dangerous members will not be recognized through the red flag system as those families are usually extremely dysfunctional so how would we be able to expect them to recognize a situation warranting police intervention to begin with?
We do actually chemically castrate sex offenders.
Red Flag Law = Thought Control
I don't like you so I SWAT you (yeah it's a thing). SWAT knocks down your door and kills you (yes it's happened). Police may or may not apologize, city may or may not pay your relatives. You're still dead because of a Red Flag Law that was made legal through common law but goes against the 2nd, 4th, 5th. 6th, 7th and 8th Amendments. There's your slippery slope. Common law just means whatever it is interpreted as, as opposed to Constitutional Law which actually protects you.
BTW, I wrote this before I read your comment so we are both thinking the same thing.
And that has happened in many of these shootings. I understand that others may also report to the police, such as school guidance counselors. Not sure about the particular details of the proposed law in this respect as it was not discussed.
So Dog, were you bored and just felt like stirring the **** (I'm guilty of that but not for a long time) or are you attempting to wake up the Sheeple?
The way l see it.........you are in bed and someone beats your door down and tries to assault you in your bedroom at 0 dark thirty. Are you awake enough to NOT point your SD piece at someone with a badge because your neighbor is mad at you mowing your lawn at 7AM every Sunday morning and waking him up? Tells authorities he "sees you running around inside your house with guns in your hand daily and you seemed agitated a lot lately " kind of revenge. That seems a lot of shady thinking in this proposal. Guess it would be a good way to remove us one at a time though.
Nightmare scenario. SWAT comes in heavily armed, padded and with ballistic shields, basically your dead.
And the proponents will say that the victim had it coming for having guns in the first place... even if the cops go to the wrong address and shoot somebody who's on the board of VPC.Red Flag Law = Thought Control
I don't like you so I SWAT you (yeah it's a thing). SWAT knocks down your door and kills you (yes it's happened). Police may or may not apologize, city may or may not pay your relatives. You're still dead because of a Red Flag Law that was made legal through common law but goes against the 2nd, 4th, 5th. 6th, 7th and 8th Amendments. There's your slippery slope. Common law just means whatever it is interpreted as, as opposed to Constitutional Law which actually protects you.
Even if you're "SWATed", the odds are your $50,000 American Eagle Luger will be tossed in a pile of other guns and have an evidence number applied with an engraving pen.I am against red flag laws, even given the "no further laws" daydream.
How could anybody with any sense of "Liberty" (watered down today though it may be) be willing to cede a truly fundamental right, in order to pacify the whims of somebody who disagrees with you?
Not only is the 2nd amendment violated there, but you can also expect to be removed from your own home, your belongings all rummaged through and your entire estate "tossed" in the search for any undocumented firearms. it is likely that you will also have to submit passwords to all online accounts so "they" can determine your state of mind. and that is likely a best case scenario.
now your pristine collection and sentimental heirlooms are in the hands of people who could not care less about taking care in their handling.
All on the pretext that somebody you know feels unsafe (truly or falsely)
No, i don't think so.
Ya know what would save lives? Returning fire to stop the threat. I'll support that instead.