Reduced recoil youth shotshell load

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Just getting into shotshell reloading. Couple years experience with rifle /pistol loads.

Planning to do 7/8 ounce 20 gauge reloads. Using unique powder.

Is it safe to reduce the powder charge by say 1/3 to 1/2 to reduce recoil for youth shooters? Any risks to this? Your wisdom greatly appreciated!
 
I would load shotgun at minimum load, would hate to get a wad stuck in the barrel and shoot again. I have had this happen, and it splits the barrel. Mine was due to a light charge from Federal Ammo.
 
Best advice I can offer is to pick up one of the Lyman Shotshell loading manuals.

They have a ton of recipe's and you can easily pick out the exact components you have and match them up with a light, medium or heavy for gauge load.

They also list plenty of shot and powder bushing selections int he reference section as well. It is really a great book for the person who wants to load shotshells.
 
Thanks! I have the RCBS manual and it didn't seem to have different levels of power for a given shot weight.

I'm planning to use a light shot weight, and then I guess I'll just follow the receipe exactly.

I'll look into the Lyman book.

Thanks!
 
Frequently, shot shell load data will have a light, medium and heavy load for a particular hull, wad, primer, powder, and shot weight combination. It gives some latitude although I would not go above or below the data limits.

Look for a 3/4 oz load for 20 gauge. That will help with recoil some as well as a light charge.
 
Well I know your line of thinking for sure. I have three knot head grandsons who are my passion when it comes to fixin them up with hunting stuff. The oldest at 12 got into dove hunting this year. All we have are 12 gauges so looks like I will be setting up the press as soon as we get some cooler weather to start working up a few loads for him.

I started off shooting full Win AA heavy field loads when I was his age, I guess I was either tougher or had more want to than he does. Actually I think it was more of if I wanted to go thats what I had to use.

Anyway yes as mentioned above stick with the loads exactly, there isn't a lot of wiggle room with shotshells like with brass cases thick barreled and action rifles. Just a little bit one way or the other can make a really big difference.

Wishing you all the best with your endeavor.
 
Definitely agree with above posts, stick to published recipes. That said, when it comes to recoil (at least free recoil which is controlled by the round vs felt recoil which is controlled by lots of things like firearm weight, action type, buttstock pads, etc), its all a question of physics, ie Newtons third law and more specifically E=1/2mv2.

You can control velocity to some extent with powder type and charge weight, which you would think would have a greater effect given that its role in that equation is squared, however in practice, the different powders and charges dont in the end create a huge change in velocity. The mass of the ejecta, ie the shot weight, is the easiest most noticable way to reduce free recoil. Mess around with powders and their charges all you want, but as others have suggested, dropping to 3/4oz load from 7/8 will get you better results than anything else (at the cost of less pellets being thrown at the target, thus lower odds of a hit with suboptimal shot placement.) Once shot weight is reduced, you can then work on finding a powder type and charge that minimizes velocity fur full recoil reduction.

Have used these tenets for my cowboy action loads to great utility. Spent a lot of time replicating Winchester lite loads (which are a (7/8oz 12ga load) and which have a reputation for being a light load. Well after finally figuring all this out, switching to 3/4oz loads with the claybuster wads meant for that, I got my most dramatic recoil reduction by far.
 
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OK, so here is what I learned at the range today.

THESE EXPERIMENTS DO NOT CONSTITUTE MY ENDORSEMENT OF THESE LOADS AND YOU ARE ADVISED TO EXERCISE CARE IN YOUR LOADING. FOLLOWING PUBLISHED LOADS IS THE KNOWN SAFE TECHNIQUE.


1. The Alliant web site (I'm using UNIQUE) recommends about 14 grains powder for my particular 7/8 ounce load and hulls and wads.
2. The LEE reloader recommends a particular set of volumetric measuring devices, which according to their charts will deliver about 14 grains.....but it doesn't. It delivers about 12 grains.
3. With 12 grains, the sound and general impression of the shotshells was normal -- as long as the crimp was good and the load was tight and not able to "rattle" in the shotshell. When I had "rattle room" the report was not up to par -- but everything still left the barrel. (I checked between every shot during these tests)

4. Emboldened by the apparent safety of the 12 grain charge, I went to 10 and even 9 grains -- and found the same. As long as the load was tightly grasped by the crimp, all went well. I shot a clay pigeon in mid air and it appeared to all be working normally. I did not chrono the rounds (never did that with shot before, not exactly sure how that would work....).

These were a small number of shots, and thus cannot be extrapolated to the success rate of thousands of rounds! However, they do convince me that using the Lee equipment as directed (yes, I read the insert correctly) seems safe, even though the MEASURED charge is a bit shy of published data (IN MY PARTICULAR INSTANCE).
 
Oh, and by the way, 500 Claybuster wads for 3/4 ounce loads are already being shipped to me. The Claybuster site had light/medium/heavy type loads for their wads, and that is going to be extremely helpful. I don't need these for another couple weeks, so the lightweight 3/4 ounce loads, with "light" charges a la their published data is probably my best bet for newbies to reduce recoil.

but I was happy that my reloads worked fine today. My reloading costs appear to be about 1/2 the price of commercial shells. But the biggest advantage is being able to make light-recoil loads with the 3/4 ounce wads.
 
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