Reinstating the Draft?

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The Undersecretary of Defense works under the Secretary of Defense, who is adamently and blindly committed to a small armed force.

So which is it? The Pentagon is either secretly committed to reinstating the draft to build its imperial army of 5.6 million or it is blindly committed to a small force? Or were you proposing that the Pentagon is committed to a small force of draftees?

The Undersecretary of Defense has about as much credibility in this corner as a petrifed wombat.

I take it you didn't read the report then since you chose to simply dismiss the credibility of the author out of hand rather than address any one of his or my arguments pointing out why conscription is not going to happen any time soon.
 
What I said before stands: I am waiting to see the stampede for the hills that occurs among doctors, nurses and other highly paid technical positions out of the guard and reserve the minute the stop-loss is lifted.


And so they are going to draft 18yr olds to fill the gap you are predicting?
NO, they will go back to the method they used to use: offer to pay the bills on medical school for anybody as long as they agree to be a doctor in the service for a standard hitch. Then, once they are trained and have served, they can be re-activated at any time.

FWIW, on the subject of why peopel serve: there is a different answer for every person. It's probably fair to say that the 19 year old Marines go in to get a decent living and also to fight. They interviewed the West Point grads and every one of them said they expected to be in combat within six months (and they are probably right).

I don't know any National Guard personally, but I do know reservists. let's face it, most of them stayed in the reserve to get the 20 years in to earn that tiny monthly stipend which (IMHO) they definitely deserve. They know and accept that they could serve in time of war, but none believed they would ever be forced into the role of "standby active" to be deplyed whenever the president wants to overthrow a country. The reserve's traditional role was to back up the actives when a sudden need arose and the actives needed time to mobilize.

Further, the new use of the reserve caught most of them by surprise. It started with Desert Storm. During Viet nam, the reserve made up a microscopic prcentage of total combat force. In Desert Storm, reserve units were some tof the first activated. My wife's Navy medical unit was actually activated before the Marine unit it is attached to back during Desert Shield when 500,000 US forces were sent to Saudi Arabia. Although many blame Rumsfeld for the new "smaller" active scenario, it actually started during Reagan. He did NOT like the fact that slaries ate up most of his defense budget, and he HATED the fact that reservists were paid more than active counterparts and actually almost never served. He instituted new standards where many reservists were driven out (primarily the older ones at higher rank with no special skills) and he set the stage for what we now see: reserves being deployed and used exactly like an active duty force.

The point is, the present use of Reserve and Guard is simply wrong. These are people who served active and then started a life as a civilian. Recall imposes crushing financial hardships on many of them, not to mention what it does to their families. Actives know what they are in for, reserves are there primarily to back them up as needed. The "new vision" IMO violates this long standing trust by elevating the reserve to a status of active duty force which is simply supposed to go away in between wars so the government doesn't have to pay them.

In two words: that sucks.
 
So which is it? The Pentagon is either secretly committed to reinstating the draft to build its imperial army of 5.6 million or it is blindly committed to a small force? Or were you proposing that the Pentagon is committed to a small force of draftees?
The Pentagon is committed to generating a standing army capable of carrying out the orders of the CIC. And unfortunately, George the Conqueror will almost certainly get another four years.

The Bush admin's view of a tiny Army doing huge things falls into the same fool's trap that "great" military minds have fallen into for centuries: failing to realize that no matter how fancy the weapons get, taking and holding onto a piece of ground still requires a warm body with two boots and one rifle. The Iraq debacle has shown another weakness: a small army composed largely of reserves and guard will have horrific morale problems if forced to serve years at a time in foreign theaters. The morale right now is the worst ever seen, and that is a major problem... it's also a perfectly forseeable problem when you yank a bunch of civilains out of their lives and tell them: "You will be here as long as we need you, and nobody knows how long that will be."

That really is the point: a volunteer or even a draftee knows what his world is and accepts it (although he may not always like it). If Bush is going to continue on his current path, we will need large numbers of basic troops to be used to rotate out the ones we now have. They are getting burned out.
 
bountyhunter: Any points I made were as they related to the conscription issue. The other issues you are discussing are tangents.

If Bush is going to continue on his current path, we will need large numbers of basic troops to be used to rotate out the ones we now have. They are getting burned out.

Using the past numbers of the all-volunteer force, we can show that we are capable of maintaining force strengths as high as 2.2 million using an all-volunteer force. That is 800,000 more people in the military - or to put it another way, it is roughly enough people that we could maintain the current force levels in Iraq and Afghanistan for over five years before anyone would need to repeat a tour.
 
Then, once they are trained and have served, they can be re-activated at any time.
Actually that is not true, they can only be re-activated up until their Inactive Ready Reserve (IRR) commitment expires. Most officers (ie docs, nurse, lawyers, line officers) have an active duty service commitment (ADSC) of 4 years, but their total commitment is 8 years with the balance to be served IRR. So if the doc, nurse, etc. gets out at the end of four they are only subject to recall for another four. I forget the exact rules for IRR for enlisted troops, but it's similar. The only folks who are subject to recall for life are RETIRED officers, not SEPARATED officers. Huge difference in status, benefits, and ability to be recalled.
 
I take it you didn't read the report then since you chose to simply dismiss the credibility of the author out of hand rather than address any one of his or my arguments pointing out why conscription is not going to happen any time soon.
Correct.
 
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