Nader tells youths to brace for draft...

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http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040412-114403-9384r.htm

Presidential candidate Ralph Nader this weekend warned his constituents that a military draft is pending, and asked younger voters to prepare. The independent candidate noted that the federal government is filling seats on local draft boards as preparation for a reinstatement of the draft, which was eliminated in 1973.
"The Pentagon is quietly recruiting new members to fill local draft boards, as the machinery for drafting a new generation of young Americans is being quietly put into place," Mr. Nader said in a press release sent out to constituents and posted on his Web site during the weekend.
"Young Americans need to know that a train is coming, and it could run over their generation in the same way that the Vietnam War devastated the lives of those who came of age in the sixties."
Kevin Zeese, a spokesman for the Nader campaign, said draft boards are being rebuilt "right now" and that the demands on the U.S. military are growing.
"I don't think that Ralph feels that the draft is imminent, but we are looking at the shortage of troops in Iraq and the calls from [Senator John] Kerry for 40,000 more troops. What Ralph is saying is that if students don't start to organize right now, it will be too late," Mr. Zeese said.
Rumors of a draft reinstatement emerged in the fall when the Selective Service announced that it was recruiting members for the nation's 2,000 local draft and appeals boards. A Selective Service spokesman said yesterday that the announcement was made to help fill spots on the boards, as many members' 20-year terms ended.
"It was misread then," said the spokesman, Pat Schuback. "Their terms are expiring right now, and that's what is going on."
"We're prepared to do our jobs here if needed," he said. "And it is important for us to be ready. The administration has been very clear about wanting to keep this volunteer, and we understand that. We let the politicians do the politics."
He noted that Selective Service, a branch of the Justice Department, has seen personnel numbers drop recently. The agency went from 166 full-time staffers in fiscal 2003 to 156 this year.
Another third-party candidate, Libertarian Aaron Russo, has joined Mr. Nader in warning Americans that a draft is a real possibility, despite denials from all quarters of the Bush administration.
Mr. Russo, one of three front-runners vying for the Libertarian nomination, said at a party forum in Virginia last month that "the draft is a bipartisan effort between Republicans and Democrats that will start after the 2004 presidential election, for obvious reasons," a prediction he repeats on his campaign Web site.
It would take legislative action by Congress to reinstate the draft, which was ended in 1973, about two months before the last U.S. troops were withdrawn from Vietnam. Registration with the Selective Service was halted from 1975 to 1980, but was reinstated under President Carter after Russia invaded Afghanistan.
A bill was drafted by South Carolina Sen. Ernest F. Hollings in January 2003, putting in place the parameters for a draft. Its House companion legislation was introduced simultaneously by New York Rep. Charles B. Rangel. Both lawmakers are Democrats.
The bills have gone nowhere, though, and nothing is expected to come from them.
Young men today are still required to register with the Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthdays. There are 15 million men ages 18 to 25 registered with the agency.


I sure as hell hope he is wrong. If not, I am joining the Navy. Do you get to choose your choice of service when drafted?
 
No, Not unless you volunteer for a branch first. They were taking some draftees in the Marines during the Viet Nam war toward the end of the draft. I don't know about the other branches. If I could go I would. Which shows that I haven’t changes much since my Viet Nam days. Probably brain damage.

2 years 6 months and 23 days in country and proud of it.
 
Smells like alarmist election year politics to me, and an attempt to frighten younger voters into swinging left.

Last time I checked, the .mil didn't have the slightest interest in working with conscripts.
 
The first problem with this is that it would assume Ralph Nader is telling the truth, which isn't likely considering his past track record.

The second problem is that there's no way you could keep such a bi-partisan effort secret. I also find it very unlikely that you could convince congress to reinstate the draft.

It a non-credible comment from a non-credible source.
 
There HAS been activity in filling draft board positions. Lots of negative feedback ensued, and the activity has been toned down.

Remember: there IS a draft system in place. You can't get certain gov't benefits (*cough* payoffs *cough*) if you don't sign up for the draft. Hence, the system is in place and is maintained.

That observed, note also there are large numbers of volunteers turned away; no need for conscripts when there is an excess of volunteers.

He's just using FUD for his campaign.
 
A couple of things. Currently, Sec. of Defense Rumsfeld is totally against the draft. He does not think it is efficient with the lengthly training the modern military requires to have two year draftee tours of duty.

Secondly, I got drafted in 1966 and they were drafting people into the Marines then. Maybe Navy too.

All of the active duty units that have seen action in, or have occupied Iraq, are generally meeting their reenlistment goals. Enlistment goals are being met too currently.

Have no information on how the Guard and Reserves are doing, and they comprise about 40% of the Army's strength.

Not too long ago we had 14 active Army divisions, now we are down to 10. They may need raise the force levels to meet all of the needs of the Defense Dept. On the other hand we have about 70,000 military mostly sitting on their hands in Europe.
 
Naders full of cow dung, he's not having much luck attracting people. So its the "old terrify them" into voting for me trick. Suprised that ***** Kerry hasn't thought of this yet...
 
As the parent of a child who will be draft age in a few years, I have no fear that a draft will be reinstated short of a world war, and even that shouldn’t require as many people as they used to.

The voting age was lowered to 18 during the waning years of the Vietnam War. In an age of elections being decided by 500 votes, with everyone running as a centrist, and promising to be all things to all people, I really don’t see anyone hacking off millions of voters unless the country is so strongly in favor of it that the loss of the votes won’t matter. And that will take quite a situation.
 
Selective Service is still in force

By law, every young man (how discriminatory is that these days?) is required to go to the postoffice a register with the Selective Service System. It's been there for years.

It's so low profile that most people don't even know about it and there is no hard core enforcement, unless you go for a Govt. scholarship etc.

They have been trying to staff up the draft boards for the last three years, sinc e shortly after 9/11.

It's another "Just in Case" move based on the idea that in a real SHTF situation, if another foreign power decided we were incapacitated from a series of successful terrorist attacks, we might need to gin up a larger force than we currently have under arms.

I guess having the draft boards ready, just in case, is based on the theory that it shaves some time off the "ready to roll" point.

I volunteered, filled in some paperwork, snail mailed it in and got a "thank you, we'll call you if we need 'ya" form letter.

If anything ever does go down I'd rather have an old fart with some service time and a kid in uniform, like me, in that position than some greasy political hack.
 
I say good for him, the more he can inflame the left the less work W has to do to win!

I was very happy when one of my lunatic fringe leftist co-workers started spouting this nonsense. That meant she had paid attention when I told her some weeks ago that "finally we have an alternative... blah blah blah". Hopefully she'll terrify a few dozen of her soccer mom friends into voting for the guy.

One of my kids is in the Navy, teaching in one of their tech schools our consensus is the military just can't use below average people any more. They need folks who can think under pressure, and are highly motivated. Draftees would be a terrible burden on a service which is just now trying to figure out how to integrate a generation of female swabbies who have only 50% of the upper body strength of the male swabbies.

I have a godchild who is in the Airborne Rangers. Guess what? According to him the Army can't use draftees either.
 
Isn't it interesting that the 9/11 Commission along with everybody and their brother is pointing fingers and screaming that we should have had a system in place that would have intercepted, responded and prevented the 9/11 attack. They're even proposing establishment of a separate department charged with domestic intelligence similar to the MI5 model. However, many of these same people are getting all worked up when efforts are made to ensure that an established system to ensure our defense will be functional if the SHTF in a big way.

Everybody screaming "Protect me, Protect me, but don't ask me or mine to take any responsibility or to serve."

Yeah they're trying to fill some Selective Service Board slots as some local boards are thin or completely vacant. At least there are some people left who are willing to do their part, however unpleasant, IF things go sideways and we find ourselves in a meatgrinder.

As far as an active military draft goes, yeah there's legislation (HR 163) that was submitted in January of 2003 requiring two years of service if called but its been in the Armed Services committee for quite some time. Given its an election year it isn't going anywhere for obvious reasons. I'm not going to comment on post-election possibilities because the political, terrorist threat, and subsequent war effort situation is too difficult to predict.

IMHO it's Nader's "Chicken Little" routine is just an attempt to make political hay through fear mongering. Don't be suprised if John F&%^$# Kerry doesn't weigh in on the issue in the near future. Gotta keep the "entitlements" flowing and the kids and parents scared to get votes!!!

Like many of you I also have a teenage son (19) who is subject to a draft if instituted but am not overly concerned. I think that the nation learned and retained the lessons that there are serious pitfalls of drafting in a limited scale war. If it ever comes to the point where a draft is seriously considered we're going to be in seriously deep doo-doo. By that time us old farts may need to dig out our duece gear and join the fray.
 
1. The main purpose in talking about a pending military draft today is to erode support for the current administration. Mention a draft, and people will automatically blame Bush.

2. The only reason we'd be looking seriously for a military draft is to provide warm bodies for a protracted war that has NO popular support. (Vietnam being a good example.)

3. The lessons of Vietnam haven't been forgotten. If this or some future administration starts sending massive numbers of troops into some dungheap (say, somewhere in central Africa) for purely political purposes, keeps them there for years, and implements a draft to staff it . . . they'll have to add extra lanes to handle all the extra traffic to Canada. (Or a LOT of draftees will pull a Cpl. Klinger and show up in drag. :what: )
 
"BTW geek I like your blog."

All right. That does it. *** is a "blog"?

Tim
 
It is geek newspeak for a "web log".

If they reinstate the draft I think I will volunteer again for a couple years. But I do not think it will happen.
 
According to my limited studies of human psychology, FEAR is the most constant emotion. Guess what ole Ralphy is playing on to drum up some votes?
 
IIRC, the "reinstate the draft" move started with Rep. Charlie Wrangle, who did it as a stick in the eye for the Bush adm, ie "now that that idiot has got us into this mess, unless we get out in a hurry, we will have to draft all of your kids, so you better get rid of Bush."

It is amazing how a bill drafted, introduced and pushed by Democrats strictly as a scare tactic gets blamed on Bush. Oh, I forgot, it is a vast right-and-left wing conspiracy. Duh, how is that again?
 
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