brownie0486
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We certainly do take our knives seriously here don't we?
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REKAT Sifu... Should I?
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Jim March
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Brownie: but of course 
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Tamara: I *did* include the "crazy" part, didn't I?
AHenry: Trivia question: why is one of the most common places people get shot in a gunfight, the hand?
(Go to google and enter the following search term complete with quotes: "shot in the hand". You'll get 2,000+ hits...most of 'em shooting reports. Ayoob, Cooper and scads of others refer to the phenomenon, in part as support for two-handed use as you can switch to off-hand faster in mid-fight.)
People "fixate on the threat" (IE the other guy's gun!) to such a degree, they can actually send ammo there rather than a larger, more useful target.
Now apply that to knives. Seriously. You've got a knife, some idiot's got a piece of plumbing pipe. What's the odds he's going to aim it right at the "threat"? And what do you do next? You jerk it back some, reflexively.
Where's he gonna connect if you jerk it LESS than 5.5" back?
Whoops. Right on the spine.
.Tamara: I *did* include the "crazy" part, didn't I?
AHenry: Trivia question: why is one of the most common places people get shot in a gunfight, the hand?
(Go to google and enter the following search term complete with quotes: "shot in the hand". You'll get 2,000+ hits...most of 'em shooting reports. Ayoob, Cooper and scads of others refer to the phenomenon, in part as support for two-handed use as you can switch to off-hand faster in mid-fight.)
People "fixate on the threat" (IE the other guy's gun!) to such a degree, they can actually send ammo there rather than a larger, more useful target.
Now apply that to knives. Seriously. You've got a knife, some idiot's got a piece of plumbing pipe. What's the odds he's going to aim it right at the "threat"? And what do you do next? You jerk it back some, reflexively.
Where's he gonna connect if you jerk it LESS than 5.5" back?
Whoops. Right on the spine.
How does that change my point Jim? Stop being obtuse. I’m telling you (and I quote myself here), “I’ve taken a hammer to my Maxx and it hasn’t failedâ€. You know as well as I do that there has been lots of torture testing of the knife and the lock doesn't fail. You can point to one time that the lock failed out of the thousands and thousands made, yet you want to tell us that the lock is subject to failure and a weak design?! I suppose you can say anything you want, but if you keep making claims like that nobody is gonna take you serious anymore. So I will again quote myself, “why don’t you share with us all just what sort of whack makes this knife fail. We are all curious...†I’d wait with bated breath but somehow I don’t think you’re gonna give me much of an answer.
ahenry......I agree that too much attention is paid overall to the chance in a million that a lock....any lock....will fail.
We can go on and on and micro analyze these things but I think most of these modern day quality locking folders are plenty reliable.......The word would get out pretty quick if a particular design is clearly faulty and unreliable.
We can go on and on and micro analyze these things but I think most of these modern day quality locking folders are plenty reliable.......The word would get out pretty quick if a particular design is clearly faulty and unreliable.
Jim March
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AHenry: I'm not being obtuse.
Unsupported by a human hand, an Integral Lock is functionally identical to a Liner Lock. Do you disagree?
Liner Locks are widely viewed as LESS reliable than at least some other modern locks, notably the W&H/BM Axis and yes, the Rolling Lock and probably the "Axis semi-clones" by Cold Steel and Sog. (Maybe the Spyderco "Compression Lock", jury is still out there.) Do you disagree?
Once you add a human hand to the equation, the Integral gains two advantages over conventional Liner Locks:
1) There's no "accidental release" problem (forefinger flesh pressed in against the Linerlock release on a tight grip).
2) Squeezing 'em raises the reliability. A lot. Probably to a point where it's stronger than anything else. Unless the friggin' clip is in the way!
I really can't get a whole lot clearer here. This is what I've been saying the whole thread, your protests to the contrary.
Unsupported by a human hand, an Integral Lock is functionally identical to a Liner Lock. Do you disagree?
Liner Locks are widely viewed as LESS reliable than at least some other modern locks, notably the W&H/BM Axis and yes, the Rolling Lock and probably the "Axis semi-clones" by Cold Steel and Sog. (Maybe the Spyderco "Compression Lock", jury is still out there.) Do you disagree?
Once you add a human hand to the equation, the Integral gains two advantages over conventional Liner Locks:
1) There's no "accidental release" problem (forefinger flesh pressed in against the Linerlock release on a tight grip).
2) Squeezing 'em raises the reliability. A lot. Probably to a point where it's stronger than anything else. Unless the friggin' clip is in the way!
I really can't get a whole lot clearer here. This is what I've been saying the whole thread, your protests to the contrary.
Don Gwinn
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Let's keep this on friendly terms, folks.
Jim, I think Tamara's point is that Mr. Taylor's "crazy" credentials seem to outweigh his "fighter" credentials by a substantial margin. He may be an expert martial artist now, but can we all agree that he did not in fact kill 40 dirty commies with his bare hands? That he was not "in deep" in ChiCom pajamas deep in the jungle? That he appears to have a tendency to lie about his past and his experience?
I still want a SIFU, but I don't approve of some of the personal stuff directed at Mr. Ralph. I don't know him well, but I like what I know.
Jim, I think Tamara's point is that Mr. Taylor's "crazy" credentials seem to outweigh his "fighter" credentials by a substantial margin. He may be an expert martial artist now, but can we all agree that he did not in fact kill 40 dirty commies with his bare hands? That he was not "in deep" in ChiCom pajamas deep in the jungle? That he appears to have a tendency to lie about his past and his experience?
I still want a SIFU, but I don't approve of some of the personal stuff directed at Mr. Ralph. I don't know him well, but I like what I know.
Jim March
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Don, I'm sorry if I came across as *personally* attacking Darrell. By almost any standard, he's almost certainly a better human being than Bob . I think he's probably one hell of a nice guy, but that seems to show because...well, it almost seems like he can't even visualize somebody doing something as ugly as a knife-fight with one of his pieces.
So what frustrates me is his tendency to put "art" over "combat utility". Or this recent trend of taking his best fighter ever, and decorating it to the tune of about $150 worth of "flame paint job".
Look, Don, you've seen fixed-blades of various sorts made by people who just aren't knife-fighters of any sort, and then compare 'em to the feel of a knife made by a guy who IS. Right? Handle a Bagwell Bowie, or a Mad Dog Panther, or an Ernie Mayer piece, or something that's had Laci Szabo messin' with it. You can TELL the maker could visualize the sucker drawing blood.
Am I right?
Others, you know the guy might be one hell of a metalsmith, doing great steel and all, but the balance and feel is just...it's not there.
Right? The Maxx feels like it's among the latter. Now, "balance" isn't such a big thing on a 5.5" blade length but, it's still there. Grip feel even moreso. Bob Taylor may be a nut, but there's no question he could visualize one o' his babies drawing blood. And the grip and ergos of the Sifu reflect that.
I dunno, I'm not calling Darrell *morally* wrong, that's not my point. It's just...he's not trying to wring every ounce of price/performance out amd some if this stuff, he just...doesn't get it. "Pretty" is fine, but not at the expense of performance .
. I think he's probably one hell of a nice guy, but that seems to show because...well, it almost seems like he can't even visualize somebody doing something as ugly as a knife-fight with one of his pieces.So what frustrates me is his tendency to put "art" over "combat utility". Or this recent trend of taking his best fighter ever, and decorating it to the tune of about $150 worth of "flame paint job"
.Look, Don, you've seen fixed-blades of various sorts made by people who just aren't knife-fighters of any sort, and then compare 'em to the feel of a knife made by a guy who IS. Right? Handle a Bagwell Bowie, or a Mad Dog Panther, or an Ernie Mayer piece, or something that's had Laci Szabo messin' with it. You can TELL the maker could visualize the sucker drawing blood.
Am I right?
Others, you know the guy might be one hell of a metalsmith, doing great steel and all, but the balance and feel is just...it's not there.
Right? The Maxx feels like it's among the latter. Now, "balance" isn't such a big thing on a 5.5" blade length but, it's still there. Grip feel even moreso. Bob Taylor may be a nut, but there's no question he could visualize one o' his babies drawing blood. And the grip and ergos of the Sifu reflect that.
I dunno, I'm not calling Darrell *morally* wrong, that's not my point. It's just...he's not trying to wring every ounce of price/performance out amd some if this stuff, he just...doesn't get it. "Pretty" is fine, but not at the expense of performance .
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Unsupported by a human hand, an Integral Lock is functionally identical to a Liner Lock. Do you disagree?
I completely disagree.
Frame locks achieve their superiority in several ways.
1)More lock surface area (2-3 times that of a liner lock)
2)More lock spring arm tension (5-10 times that of a linerlock)
3)Integral handle design with less fasteners to fail.
The MAXX design is one of the strongest folding knives in the world.
Any knife that can hold 1000+ inch pounds on the pivot is plenty strong.
As far as the clip is concerned, the pocketclip rides over the lockbar cutout of the Madd Maxx to prevent in over-opening which can extend the lock and weaken its spring arm tension.
Tip up carry on a frame lock with a HUGE blade like the MAXX is bad idea. A tiny ball detent is the only thing keeping the blade from slicing your hand up the next time you reach in your pocket.
Reeve knives are notably stiffer at the detent than Ralph's. Reeve uses heavy lock tension against the blade in the closed position as a brake to keep the blade from opening quickly.
Ralph's frame locks have more of a free-wheeling, fast opening.
Most MAXX's can be easily opened with a flick or wrist snap.
The MAXX bowie blade is a devastating combat folder. It stabs and slashes with equal effectiveness and the sharp tip can be used for for back cutting.
The handle is generic and can be used in a myriad of grips.
As far as balance is concerned, I have a MAXX and a SIFU in front of me. The Sifu has a bit more blade heft, the MAXX is neutral.
No real practical difference as far as I am concerned.
Darrel may not be a defensive whiz, but unlike most other makers he listens to people who ARE.
BTW, its obvious you have spent little time with a MAXX.
The top guard, inaddition to being a guard is an effective opening device in addition to the flipper.
With a clip mounted "tip up", it turns in to a WAVE opening device, another reason DR doesnt mount the tips that way since Emerson has patented this feature.
The Aftermath is available WITHOUT the flame pattern, but I guess you didnt ask?
I have hammered a MAXX into a tree and suspended by lard *** off of it. It is strong.
I agree that frame locks are less reliable than the new generation of locking mechanism-HOWEVER, I have seen them fail
miserably also.
I have been following the design of the MAXX since day one.
I consider it the ultimate over 4" defensive folder.
I completely disagree.
Frame locks achieve their superiority in several ways.
1)More lock surface area (2-3 times that of a liner lock)
2)More lock spring arm tension (5-10 times that of a linerlock)
3)Integral handle design with less fasteners to fail.
The MAXX design is one of the strongest folding knives in the world.
Any knife that can hold 1000+ inch pounds on the pivot is plenty strong.
As far as the clip is concerned, the pocketclip rides over the lockbar cutout of the Madd Maxx to prevent in over-opening which can extend the lock and weaken its spring arm tension.
Tip up carry on a frame lock with a HUGE blade like the MAXX is bad idea. A tiny ball detent is the only thing keeping the blade from slicing your hand up the next time you reach in your pocket.
Reeve knives are notably stiffer at the detent than Ralph's. Reeve uses heavy lock tension against the blade in the closed position as a brake to keep the blade from opening quickly.
Ralph's frame locks have more of a free-wheeling, fast opening.
Most MAXX's can be easily opened with a flick or wrist snap.
The MAXX bowie blade is a devastating combat folder. It stabs and slashes with equal effectiveness and the sharp tip can be used for for back cutting.
The handle is generic and can be used in a myriad of grips.
As far as balance is concerned, I have a MAXX and a SIFU in front of me. The Sifu has a bit more blade heft, the MAXX is neutral.
No real practical difference as far as I am concerned.
Darrel may not be a defensive whiz, but unlike most other makers he listens to people who ARE.
BTW, its obvious you have spent little time with a MAXX.
The top guard, inaddition to being a guard is an effective opening device in addition to the flipper.
With a clip mounted "tip up", it turns in to a WAVE opening device, another reason DR doesnt mount the tips that way since Emerson has patented this feature.
The Aftermath is available WITHOUT the flame pattern, but I guess you didnt ask?
I have hammered a MAXX into a tree and suspended by lard *** off of it. It is strong.
I agree that frame locks are less reliable than the new generation of locking mechanism-HOWEVER, I have seen them fail
miserably also.
I have been following the design of the MAXX since day one.
I consider it the ultimate over 4" defensive folder.
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When chopping with frame lock, the lock gets STRONGER. Lock wear just causes the locking bar to move over to the other side, eventually hitting the opposite scale.
Unless the user was chopping with the spine of the blade, I do not see how the knife failed.
Can you post a link to the incident in question(MAXX lock failure)?
Unless the user was chopping with the spine of the blade, I do not see how the knife failed.
Can you post a link to the incident in question(MAXX lock failure)?
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Ok JIM, I found the thread from 2 years ago where the MAXX failed.
ACTUALLY what happened is the numnutz who was "chopping" with it wedged his finger inside the frame and unlocked the knife from the bottom of the handle.
That would kind of be like a guy who disengages the lock on his Sifu accidentally by using the thumb down hammer grip.
I sure wouldn't call that a lock failure.
OH, and holding the MAXX is a Gorilla grip does enhance the lock tension quite noticeably, so your fears are moot, I would say.
ACTUALLY what happened is the numnutz who was "chopping" with it wedged his finger inside the frame and unlocked the knife from the bottom of the handle.
That would kind of be like a guy who disengages the lock on his Sifu accidentally by using the thumb down hammer grip.
I sure wouldn't call that a lock failure.
OH, and holding the MAXX is a Gorilla grip does enhance the lock tension quite noticeably, so your fears are moot, I would say.
Jim March
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Hmmm. The *initial* story was that the guy choked back on it, taking his fingers away from the lockwork. Did he change his story?
And I'm very glad to hear there's a no-flames version of the Aftermath. That's one entire series of comments that is therefore unwarranted and I apologize.
As to clips: I'll stay with sheaths on megafolders instead. And I still think Darrell should have done the Maxx more like the Aftermath in the first place.
And I'm very glad to hear there's a no-flames version of the Aftermath. That's one entire series of comments that is therefore unwarranted and I apologize.
As to clips: I'll stay with sheaths on megafolders instead. And I still think Darrell should have done the Maxx more like the Aftermath in the first place
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Jim,
Anthony beat me to much of it so I'll just add that if the "Maxx was (sic) more like the Aftermath in the first place" it's outrageous size would have sold a few pieces and the Maxx line would have died right there. Remember that knife making is a commercial enterprise and that you make the more marketable product first and then you put the extreme stuff out.
Also, "by almost any standard, he's almost certainly a better human being than Bob" is certainly damning with faint praise. I know both fellows and Bob is certainly an extremely challenging person to get to like. Darryl on the other hand is pretty easy to like. Both are flamboyant in their own ways. As to skill, Bob designs 'em, Darryl designs and builds 'em.
You stated your positions strongly, don't be surprised when somone equally knowledgable steps from the admiring crowd and challenges them with equal strength.
Anthony beat me to much of it so I'll just add that if the "Maxx was (sic) more like the Aftermath in the first place" it's outrageous size would have sold a few pieces and the Maxx line would have died right there. Remember that knife making is a commercial enterprise and that you make the more marketable product first and then you put the extreme stuff out.
Also, "by almost any standard, he's almost certainly a better human being than Bob" is certainly damning with faint praise. I know both fellows and Bob is certainly an extremely challenging person to get to like. Darryl on the other hand is pretty easy to like. Both are flamboyant in their own ways. As to skill, Bob designs 'em, Darryl designs and builds 'em.
You stated your positions strongly, don't be surprised when somone equally knowledgable steps from the admiring crowd and challenges them with equal strength.
Jim March
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Not having met Darrell, I have no basis for stronger praise and had no intention of damning in any case. Bob, unfortunately, has determined how he's viewed...Tamara posted all that needs said.
I believe a "curved Maxx" would have sold better than what actually shipped. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see, because if the "plain Aftermath" ends up at the same street price as the Maxx (which it should after the initial newness prices drop), we'll see which sells better.
I believe a "curved Maxx" would have sold better than what actually shipped. Maybe I'm wrong. We'll see, because if the "plain Aftermath" ends up at the same street price as the Maxx (which it should after the initial newness prices drop), we'll see which sells better.
Jim,
I've met both guys. I like Darrel a lot. He's funny and generous and talented and has a nice eye for style. I even like Bob (although you have to be careful about taking him out in public ). Taylor certainly projects one of the craziest personas going. Regardless of all the BS, in either direction, and regardless of where he learned it, I did learn more practical knife work in 20 hours with him than I had in many months of dojo. I had bruises for 3 weeks! (If it's any measure of a man, Bob's daughter is a mature young woman that always proved to be a jewel to talk to.)
I personnaly think that the Aftermath would have been too extreme in the sequence to offer first. I've handled all of them and the thing is a honken monster for size. It seems bigger than it is. Is it practical? It doesn't fit me, but I'm a little round person with small hands (wait, that's a Boggy I just described), but I liked the way it handled. It sure seemed solid and stable even with me banging and twisting the thing around.
Mike
I've met both guys. I like Darrel a lot. He's funny and generous and talented and has a nice eye for style. I even like Bob (although you have to be careful about taking him out in public
). Taylor certainly projects one of the craziest personas going. Regardless of all the BS, in either direction, and regardless of where he learned it, I did learn more practical knife work in 20 hours with him than I had in many months of dojo. I had bruises for 3 weeks! (If it's any measure of a man, Bob's daughter is a mature young woman that always proved to be a jewel to talk to.)I personnaly think that the Aftermath would have been too extreme in the sequence to offer first. I've handled all of them and the thing is a honken monster for size. It seems bigger than it is. Is it practical? It doesn't fit me, but I'm a little round person with small hands (wait, that's a Boggy I just described), but I liked the way it handled. It sure seemed solid and stable even with me banging and twisting the thing around.
Mike
Jim March
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You know what puzzles me?
More or less anybody here can CCW a J-frame snubby or an ultra-compact 3" barrel 1911 type, no problem. But the Aftermath, or CS VG or whatever, is "too big".
It's not size. It's motivation. If you flat-out can't get a CCW permit, and you CAN carry a megafolder, priorities change fast.
More or less anybody here can CCW a J-frame snubby or an ultra-compact 3" barrel 1911 type, no problem. But the Aftermath, or CS VG or whatever, is "too big".
It's not size. It's motivation. If you flat-out can't get a CCW permit, and you CAN carry a megafolder, priorities change fast.
Tamara
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The Aftermath is closer to a full-size 5" 1911, sans grip, actually...
Bladeandbarrel
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Aww cmon guys.
I carry either a Maxx or Aftermath 3-4 days a week in suit pants.
No problemo!
The "deep pocket" clip works!
(Oh yeah, I set one up for "tip up" carry today just to experiment, I will probably switch it back)
I carry either a Maxx or Aftermath 3-4 days a week in suit pants.
No problemo!
The "deep pocket" clip works!
(Oh yeah, I set one up for "tip up" carry today just to experiment, I will probably switch it back)
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once the power-assist version comes out
oooohaahhhhhh!
oooohaahhhhhh!
Tamara
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Anthony Lombardo,
Well, there's pockets and then there's pockets. I find a MOD CQD to be annoyingly large for the pockets of the jeans I usually wear; my Emerson Commander is just about right...
Well, there's pockets and then there's pockets.
I find a MOD CQD to be annoyingly large for the pockets of the jeans I usually wear; my Emerson Commander is just about right...Bladeandbarrel
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Must be those hot pants you wear!
I can't imagine anyone finding a CQD a "comfortable" pocket carry. That thing is insanely huge. It's for military use - to be carried in a sheath and used with gloves.
Anyhow, just my humble opinion - if you can't find a favorite that you like out of the current generation of Mega-Folders, then design one yourself - someone will make it for you if it looks good enough. Anyhow, the Cold Steel giants, Cuda MAXX, Aftermath, or good old Sifu all work admirably. If you don't use them for fricking tow hitches, you shouldn't have a problem with any of them.
I do know this - if I could get ahold of 100 Sifu's, I'd sell out of every one in a couple weeks. I keep bugging Bob about them every so often and he keeps telling me another company bought the design. Can't divulge more than that.
Anyhow, just my humble opinion - if you can't find a favorite that you like out of the current generation of Mega-Folders, then design one yourself - someone will make it for you if it looks good enough. Anyhow, the Cold Steel giants, Cuda MAXX, Aftermath, or good old Sifu all work admirably. If you don't use them for fricking tow hitches, you shouldn't have a problem with any of them.
I do know this - if I could get ahold of 100 Sifu's, I'd sell out of every one in a couple weeks. I keep bugging Bob about them every so often and he keeps telling me another company bought the design. Can't divulge more than that.
brownie0486
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hso:
I have had 3rd degrees in the dojos tell me they got more realistic defensive knife from me in a few hours than all the years in the dojo as well.
Dojo's are not very conducive to actual street work when it comes to surviving an encounter of the dangerous kind.
I have no opinion on Bob Taylor as I know nothing about him except what has been brought forth here in the thread which I'll take at face value for now.
My point is you really can't take the example of learning more from someone in 20 hours than any dojo training as they are actually apples and oranges.
What I really like about your comments was the fact you actually sought out training in the blade arts and put that much time into the training. If it is quality training you stand in good stead.
Taylor sounds like a person I know in this state who professes to be one bad a#s and has his students convinced he is a some type of demigod. Acts really nutty in class, scares the hell out of them most of the day with his antics and actually can be defeated quite easily by someone who really knows the knife.
Some guys are real good at selling themselves and convincing others with less or no knowledge that they are the endall to defensive knife. The person I'm talking about is really scary and attempts to portray this personna. In this case it's smoke and mirrors. Taylor may very well be another of this type.
As an aside, if he has protrayed or allowed himself to be painted as a war vet/war hero without the creds and documentation that accompany these types when push comes to shove he deserves all the badness the world has to offer. As a combat vet myself it is very difficult to stand by while others paint themselves with the same brush who have not "been there and done that". It is a slap to those who actually served and I know a few who would take so personal that they would challenge him on the spot to put up or shutup..
Apparently he has never been challlenged until recently which leads me to a previous comment, that he is a good salesman.
Brownie
I have had 3rd degrees in the dojos tell me they got more realistic defensive knife from me in a few hours than all the years in the dojo as well.
Dojo's are not very conducive to actual street work when it comes to surviving an encounter of the dangerous kind.
I have no opinion on Bob Taylor as I know nothing about him except what has been brought forth here in the thread which I'll take at face value for now.
My point is you really can't take the example of learning more from someone in 20 hours than any dojo training as they are actually apples and oranges.
What I really like about your comments was the fact you actually sought out training in the blade arts and put that much time into the training. If it is quality training you stand in good stead.
Taylor sounds like a person I know in this state who professes to be one bad a#s and has his students convinced he is a some type of demigod. Acts really nutty in class, scares the hell out of them most of the day with his antics and actually can be defeated quite easily by someone who really knows the knife.
Some guys are real good at selling themselves and convincing others with less or no knowledge that they are the endall to defensive knife. The person I'm talking about is really scary and attempts to portray this personna. In this case it's smoke and mirrors. Taylor may very well be another of this type.
As an aside, if he has protrayed or allowed himself to be painted as a war vet/war hero without the creds and documentation that accompany these types when push comes to shove he deserves all the badness the world has to offer. As a combat vet myself it is very difficult to stand by while others paint themselves with the same brush who have not "been there and done that". It is a slap to those who actually served and I know a few who would take so personal that they would challenge him on the spot to put up or shutup..
Apparently he has never been challlenged until recently which leads me to a previous comment, that he is a good salesman.
Brownie
With respect, that PhonyVeterans page is a load of horsecrap that get's pointed to as if it is some sort of "proof".
You'll notice that it's no longer maintained - that's because the guy behind it is dead. That's right, dead... reportedly found in an alley, beaten to death. Probably pissed off the wrong person. Everything on that page is either a half truth, untruth, or twisted so badly that it can't even be called a fact anymore. The most damning peice of evidence there? A friggin FOIA form with a handwritten MOS on it. 2nd piece? An ad that wasn't written by Bob, that was incorrect, and got the person who wrote it fired immediately after it ran. No DD214. No copies of anything in a 201 file. Nothing that would stand up in court.
"Fortunately" in the court of the internet, evidence doesn't have to be *real*, as long as it's repeated often enough. Or have nameless, anonymous "sources" who don't have to be cross examined or actually deposed.
Anyhow, if any of you feel tough enough, I'm sure he'd be happy to take you on in the ring, on the street, or wherever else. After all, when he wasn't dragging semi's from pins through his arms during "Mind over matter" classes at the SOF show, he was busy teaching classes on how to fight dirty and win. He must be a complete patsy, so you shouldn't have a problem.
Put it to you like this - Singlaub would stand up for him. If you think Bob was a fake, do you think Singlaub was a sucker?
You can believe whatever you want, but if you fell sucker for the crap on that page, you have my sympathy - because anyone with half a brain could see through that crap.
Kevin
You'll notice that it's no longer maintained - that's because the guy behind it is dead. That's right, dead... reportedly found in an alley, beaten to death. Probably pissed off the wrong person. Everything on that page is either a half truth, untruth, or twisted so badly that it can't even be called a fact anymore. The most damning peice of evidence there? A friggin FOIA form with a handwritten MOS on it. 2nd piece? An ad that wasn't written by Bob, that was incorrect, and got the person who wrote it fired immediately after it ran. No DD214. No copies of anything in a 201 file. Nothing that would stand up in court.
"Fortunately" in the court of the internet, evidence doesn't have to be *real*, as long as it's repeated often enough. Or have nameless, anonymous "sources" who don't have to be cross examined or actually deposed.
Anyhow, if any of you feel tough enough, I'm sure he'd be happy to take you on in the ring, on the street, or wherever else. After all, when he wasn't dragging semi's from pins through his arms during "Mind over matter" classes at the SOF show, he was busy teaching classes on how to fight dirty and win. He must be a complete patsy, so you shouldn't have a problem.
Put it to you like this - Singlaub would stand up for him. If you think Bob was a fake, do you think Singlaub was a sucker?
You can believe whatever you want, but if you fell sucker for the crap on that page, you have my sympathy - because anyone with half a brain could see through that crap.
Kevin
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I've never met him. I have no clue regarding the .mil stuff, he's apparantly a bit of a character, fine.
But I know this. The ergos on three knives, the Hobbit Warrior, the Folding Hobbit and the Sifu are all attributed to Bob Taylor, and in all cases are just superb. The Sifu in particular, because it feels just as good in a forward grip as a reverse and that's one hell of an accomplishment.
I ain't gonna mess with him, and I'm bigger
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Brownie,
Your right, dojo artists can be like gym bunnies - good looking until the footing is uneven, the lighting is dim, and the stakes are too high.
WRT Bob Taylor - while most of us found him to be excentric in the extreme we also found him to be an efficient instructor with some very effective techniques to show us. Having had training from folks that couldn't train but had something to offer as well as folks that could train but had nothing to offer, and those that said nothing of their backgrounds or said too much, I took a wait and see approach to the sessions. All I can say is that I came away better off than I went in, if much more bruised for it. As to his background, I can't know, but I learned a lot of good knife fighting/defense in a hurry in those 2 very long days.
Mike
Your right, dojo artists can be like gym bunnies - good looking until the footing is uneven, the lighting is dim, and the stakes are too high.
WRT Bob Taylor - while most of us found him to be excentric in the extreme we also found him to be an efficient instructor with some very effective techniques to show us. Having had training from folks that couldn't train but had something to offer as well as folks that could train but had nothing to offer, and those that said nothing of their backgrounds or said too much, I took a wait and see approach to the sessions. All I can say is that I came away better off than I went in, if much more bruised for it. As to his background, I can't know, but I learned a lot of good knife fighting/defense in a hurry in those 2 very long days.
Mike
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