Relaxing Gun Laws in INDIA?

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WSJ Article here.

" . . . They should also demand reform of the country's draconian gun laws -- a holdover from British times -- that prevent them from defending themselves. That would surely deliver far quicker results than waiting for India's slow-moving political classes to plug the vast lacunae in the country's security apparatus.
After all, what was particularly infuriating about the Mumbai attacks was not just that the Indian government failed to prevent them, even though it had received repeated warnings. Nor was it their tragic death toll; Mumbai, after all, experienced worse in the coordinated series of bombings in 1993 and 2006. Rather, it was that had there been anything resembling meaningful resistance, the attackers never would have been able to stage the kind of spectacle they did. Before they holed up in the Taj and Oberoi Hotels, they seemed to operate with almost complete impunity, freely moving from one target to another.

The same duo that opened fire at Café Leopold -- among the first targets -- managed to escape undetected and join their comrades at the Taj Mahal Hotel -- a few miles away -- before the police could even catch their breath. Likewise, the pair that attacked Chattrapati Shivaji Terminus subsequently hopped over to Cama Hospital, where they killed three top antiterrorism officials, hijacked the officials' van and sped away -- shooting at onlookers the whole time. And while at the Terminus -- named, ironically enough, after a fearless Maratha warrior-king -- the two gunmen marched up and down the station emptying their machine guns into commuters as the police stood by paralyzed, bolt-action rifles and lathis (bamboo sticks) in hand.

The true problem was not a shortage of heroism in those three horrible days. The courageous staff at the two hotels was nothing if not heroic, likely saving as many people as the police watched being killed. At the Taj, one employee even took the bullets for a group of guests he was trying to escort to safety.

But if the hotel staff could take bullets, the question is why couldn't they return them? The reason, as P.R.S. Oberoi, chairman of Oberoi Group, noted, is that none of the hotel's security staff was armed, thanks to the country's strict gun laws that make it virtually impossible to obtain permits. This is also perhaps why the gunmen moved around the city as if they owned it without fearing that anyone would shoot back."
 
Not that my opinion matters, but of course I think they should and that such a move is the right thing to do. But that doesn't mean they'll do it. Even if much worse things than the recent Mumbai terrorist attacks happen, the antis will argue that we're just not banning ENOUGH guns.
 
I am convinced that gun rights anywhere other than America are totally beyond any kind of salvaging. America, too, has fallen a long way, but at least we have a chance here because of the second amendment and lobbyists like the NRA. Other countries have neither of those things.

We are truly alone in the world, in terms of our gun freedoms.
 
Well, every time you call a technical help desk, ask the Indian on the other end when they are going to stand up for thier right to self defense.
 
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INR is the worst and most corrupt government and yes they are a socialist and repressive regime. They are thriving on british laws that were used to maek the people weak and at the mercy of the colonist. However, the politicians saw this in their favor and kept the laws enforced as it would also mean they would have much more power over the populace.

Sadly, in neighboring Pakistan, every 5 year old kid can have his own AK47 and the people in that country are armed to the teeth.

If these terrorist cowards would have tried doing what they did even in my small town in USA, they would have had their body organs splattered across the street long before they made it into any luxury hotel. I mean, its a bit pathetic in a way. A 5-star luxury hotel full of tourists, only 500 miles away from one of the most hostile and Anti-Western countries on the planet? They have no security guards of any sort? What do you expect!

Thank God for Gun Rights.. More Guns, Less News Stories.
 
I cannot understand why, in a culture that believes in reincarnation, that killing someone is a crime. Think about it. If you off somebody, you're the one building the bad karma. For the other guy you're just doing a cosmic reboot for him. Heck you're probably helping him because you're keepin him from building up any more bad karma. :evil:

If the police are going to huddle behind barricades while terrorists systematically slaughter people, the people ought to have the wherewithall to defend themselves.
 
BZZZZZZ Wrongo Swamprat, Guess Again!

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If these terrorist cowards would have tried doing what they did even in my small town in USA, they would have had their body organs splattered across the street long before they made it into any luxury hotel.
Sirrah, you are so full of organic fertilizer your eyes HAVE to be brown. Supposing most people noticed anything at all - which I sincerely doubt - the badguys could hop out of their vehicle(s), run into the mall to the food court or some other heavily occupied place on a weekend or major shopping time like now in the U.S. and start shooting before the authorities even knew of it. Remember, when seconds count the Police REALLY ARE minutes - likely several - away. Assuming the badguys weren't concerned with going back home, and assuming they had several magazines each, they could do a WHOLE lot of damage before the first police cruisers arrived. Meanwhile, having essentially depopulated the food court, they would split up taking different wings/floors of the mall and turn the place into a charnel house. Having separated, the badguys would force the Police commander on scene to deploy his/her troops to neutralize the threat in detail. If these guys were determined merely shooting them wouldn't do a lot of immediate good. According to some medicos I have spoken with, a person can remain conscious and active for up to FOURTY-FIVE seconds AFTER their hearts have stopped pumping blood!!!:eek::eek::what::what: You can do a frakking lot of damage with an AK in 45 seconds.:( With a bit of practice and magazines taped together so that you just have to pop it out, swap ends and reinsert, a determined badguy could probably empty 2 mags in that 45 seconds. :barf:

All this is just more reason to remove the restrictions on individuals carrying. Heck, I'm not worried about someone walking into a bank lobby with a holstered sidearm on their hip.

But I'm a radical. ;)
 
cannot understand why, in a culture that believes in reincarnation, that killing someone is a crime. Think about it. If you off somebody, you're the one building the bad karma. For the other guy you're just doing a cosmic reboot for him. Heck you're probably helping him because you're keepin him from building up any more bad karma.

Interestingly enough, look at what Gandhi himself said:

Between violence and cowardly flight, I can only prefer violence to cowardice.

It seems that at least Gandhi recognized that non-violence didn't mean cowardice. Indeed, sometimes there is a time to pick up your rifle and shoot back - something recognized by basically every major philosophy and religion on this green Earth.

It's sad more people don't see this commonsense human right.

However, I suspect little will change in India. There are some there who see this the way we do, but the majority do not. Remember, what works here doesn't work everywhere. We're pretty different in that regard.

:sigh: Not sure. I just can't imagine our race as a whole continuing like this for more than a century before something critical and massively bad happens, perhaps some type of worldwide conflict which transcends political country lines. Something very bad and beyond our comprehension now. The blurring of human rights continues in some misconceived notion of world peace; but will lead to exactly the opposite.
 
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