Reloaded cases chambering "stiff"

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I was wondering what would cause my reloaded cases to be tough to chamber? I know the OAL is correct, I purchased new dies and reset them accordingly (Did not buy the dies to fix this problem). I have never fire-formed brass before, however I would imagine this is about how it would feel to chamber a fire-formed case.

The rounds seem to chamber up until the point to where you have about 3/4th an inch left in bolt travel, and locking is tough too.

Any ideas?

30-06
RCBS FL Resizing die
RCBS Partner Press
3 times fired brass.
OAL of 3.33

Previous loads in these cases was not really hot at all. Pretty much exclusively shooting 56-57Gr IMR4350 with 165-168gr rounds with WLRM primers.

I have had no primer pocket problems either? What is going on?
 
how about the case length? if you have never trimmed, they may have grown too long, and are actually hazardous to fire.

are you actually fl sizing?
 
I would assume that I am FL sizing. I set the rezing/de-caping pin 3/16th from the bottom of the die, and I have the shell holder probably a few thousanths from the bottom of the die.

No I have not trimmed the cases however I guaged a few of them and they are all at 2.496 witch is slightly out of spec, but I would not think it would cause this.

I do plan to toss these cases after I fire them (not because of this).

Would there be any tell-tale marks on the mouth of the case if it was due to case lenght?
 
I would assume that I am FL sizing. I set the rezing/de-caping pin 3/16th from the bottom of the die, and I have the shell holder probably a few thousanths from the bottom of the die.

The bottom of the die should contact the shell holder. The directions that come with the dies state to screw the die until contact is made with the ram at TDC and add 1/8 - 1/4 more turns to take the play out of the ram. I only run my die down until it makes firm finger tight contact.
What you`re doing is partial sizeing the case. The shoulder is likely not being touched by the die. The taper on `06 type cases also means that the die has to have the case run all the way in to fully size down the walls.
You aren`t doing anything wrong and no harm will come from not fully sizeing the case but chambering as you note is harder then normal and at some point it is possible you`ll have to fully size to bump the shoulder back as chambering becomes more difficult. The cases will fit the chamber better with part sizeing and "should" make for more accurate ammo.

I`d also check the OAL you are useing with a magic marker. Color the bullet and chamber it, then eject and check the ink for rifleing marks. If marks appear in the ink seat deeper until they dissapear. The OAL you`re useing is only .010" under SAMMI max (3.340) and not all bullets will allow you seat them this far out depending on shape. You may be jamming the bullet in the leade and that isn`t always a good thing.
Personally I "think" you`re experiancing a little of both of these occurances and a little tuning of your methods will fix it.
 
What Ol` Joe says is true and can do nothing but help, but something is bothering me.

...up until the point to where you have about 3/4th an inch left in bolt travel.

This is it. I've been thinking on this for some hours and 3/4" just doesn't make sense. That's a long way. To long for the cause to be jamming a bullet in the leade or for your cases to need a trim (which they do!).
Even your dies being a couple of thou off the shellholder doesn't add up.

Was this brass fired in another gun first?

David
 
Smoke a case and see exactly where it is binding up at. you might have a tight chamber and need a small base sizing die.
 
i think ol' joe nailed it for ya. you aren't fl sizing, and that is why you are having tough time chambering.

a little tightness is a good thing - the brass fills the chamber, and when you fire, because it is already filling the chamber, the case doesn't expand/get worked much, increasing accuracy and case life. however, eventually the brass will be too big to fit in the chamber. in hunting rifles, most people do a true fl resize everytime so they don't get any nasty surprises when they are trying to get their quarry and are a long ways from the truck.

raise your ram all the way up. screw down your sizing die until it touches the shellholder, then lower your ram, and screw down the sizing die just a hair more. size one of the difficult to chamber cases and see if it chambers better. if not, screw down a little more and try again. if you make it to the full .25 turn past contact (camming over really hard), and you still have difficulty chambering, you either need to get ahold of small base dies, or send your die back to the maker because it is out of spec.

do not neglect the trimming step. it takes 2-4 firings before a case slows its growth down enough so that it doesn't have to be trimmed/checked everytime. before that, however, especially on the first firing or 2, cases grow quite a bit. you do not want the case mouth to get into the leade, as this will cause pressure spikes.

as far as contacting the rifling w/ the bullet, i always do. usually only lightly, but sometimes i jam them in hard, depending on the individual rifle's preference. the downside to seating bullets this long is that it is possible that when you remove a case from the chamber w/o firing, the bullet will remain in the rifling. the result is powder all over your action and trigger, and your rifle is out of action until you get the bullet out. sometimes re-chambering the empty, unfired case will pull it out, sometimes it needs to be rammed out w/ a cleaning rod.

remington 700's, especially in 30 calibers, have quite long throats. reason is because they have to handle any ammo in saami spec, and hornady has a 220 grain round nose that is still available, so the throat tends to be long (and barnes has/had a 250 grain round nose) to accept those bullets - so, i seriously doubt your bullets are contacting the rifling. in fact, all of my 30 caliber 700's have throats that are quite generous, especially when compared to my other caliber 700's.

good luck.
 
keep in mind that it is possible to get a defective die. i got one once from our favorite blue mfg that had been bored too deep. the result was that the bolt wouldn't close on rifles with a 223 chamber, but would close on rifles with a 5.56 or wylde chamber. since i only have the latter, i loaded and fired thousands of these without ever realizing there was a problem until i tried one in a friend's Les Baer, which wouldn't chamber the round. i got the handy cartridge gauge and sure enough, the shoulder wasn't set back far enough. the mfg's suggested remediation was to take a belt sander to the mouth of my carbide sizer die.

the point is, use a cartridge gauge. if it sticks in that, you've got a problem.


other obvious possibilities... maybe you have some rust or something in the chamber? have you thoroughly cleaned it and inspected it? maybe there's an obstruction or something. you didn't mention if other ammo worked fine.

one last point, OAL, which refers to the tip of the bullet, is likely meaningless in this situation. the most likely relevant dimensions are the brass (headspace and width.)
 
ol' joe and dakotasin

Have given you the answer I got from RCBS for my son's Savage 12v in .308. The key for us was in a hard cam-over to start then backing off until the fit becomes slightly snug again and tighten up just enough for a custom chamber fit cartridge.
 
You might check the case mouth thickness. As you said you haven't trimmed these cases and brass may have moved to the mouth of the case and thickened the metal at the mouth. Causing the cases with the bullets to be of increased diameter. In that case you will have to turn the case mouth or toss-em Or, untrimmed, may be just too long.
 
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