Rem M-700 Mountain rifle STOCK FAILURE, Caution disturbing photos.

[Float Pilot]

This is a 30-06 M-700 Remingtin Titanium Mountain Rifle.

This stock failure looks like it slide down a hill. NOPE....

Maybe crushed in a bear attack..... Nope....

It was making cracking and crunching sounds around the action so I flexed it with my hands and it broke in two!!!!!!!SIZE] It sheared off the trigger while busting as well!!!!! One local therory is that I weakened it by firing it from a Lead Sled a few too many times last week.....WTH..

Can you believe this???? And of course since I had the rifle coated and the forearm glass bedded, it voided any warranty.

Man, am I steamed......!!!!!

 

[R.W.Dale]

Extreme lightweight is nice but apparently to attain it sacrifices must be made.

Have you talked to remington? It's clear that your modifications were unrelated to the failure, from what I understand their CS is excellent

 

[rbernie]

Dang. Isn't that a Bell & Carlson stock?

 

[BullpupBen]

And who says plastic is tougher than wood?

 

[W.E.G.]

That'll buff right out.

 

[highorder]

Anyone around here play hockey like I do?

We see composite stick failures like that frequently. The types of forces and the repetition going on when you load a stock/stick eventually causes failure of the composite.

 

[MT GUNNY]

I would get ahold of Remington and talk with them tell them everything you did and the way it broke when you discovered weakness I would almost bet my M700 LSS they will tale care of you, please let me know what happens.

 

[Float Pilot]

The accuracy of the rifle was going down-hill fast and I was trying to catch up with it.

All of the new bedding work was done inches ahead of the place where is broke. It was making this funny noise like Rice Crispies in milk after every shot, before I bedded it. I thought it was the recoil lug area.

I never got to fire it with the new bedding.


So this morning was going to replace the recoil pad.... I had my ear to the stock and noticed that it was making the noise again if I flexed the stock around with my hands.
I gave it a twist with one hand on the forearm and the other on the buttstock. Then ccccc,,,CRACK,,, and it failed by the magazine area.

Originally the two parts were being held together by the exterior web of fiberglass. By the time I removed the action and the sling swivels, plus cussing to high heaven, the two pieces came apart even more.

The insides are some sort of substance with the consistency of a sugar cracker. (My wife says charcol brickette) Then there is a skin layer of fiberglass mesh. That is covered with the external testured coating.

 

[taliv]

weg, heh


that is disturbing. glad to know there's a warning sign though.

 

[Gordon]

Typical Kevlar skinned fiberglass stock failure. They all seem to break at the wrist. Thats polyurethane foam filler material. Even the high end laid up very light stocks such as made by Chet Brown (who with Lee Six invented the fiberglass stock in the early 70's) and others, will occasionally fail around the wrist like that in the extreme light weight versions. UltraLight Arms stocks failed regularly like that. In a high grade stock this is a warranty repair-no questions. I'll bet Remington will do the same. The lead sled workout probably had something to do with it, ultralight stocks are designed for hunting conditions. Brown Precision Pro Hunter series stocks, for instance are MUCH heavier laid up(and heavier) as are most Macmillan ect. stocks.

 

[alemonkey]

If Remington didn't replace that, I'd be pretty upset. Obviously defective from the factory.

 

[M'bogo]

When firing form the Lead Sled is there any 'give' when firing? Does all of the recoil energy from firing get transfered to the buttstock upon firing? Could the fact that the Lead Sled transfers the recoil energy back to the stock have caused premature failure of the stock?

Once while on a bird hunt (bird = quail where I'm from) I watched in horror as a good friend of mine took his little Browning Citori in 28ga and stuck the buttstock against a fence post to show off how little recoil the 28ga has. Before I could stop him he pulled the trigger and it sheared the stock into at the wrist. That stock would have survived several generations firing from one's shoulder and it only took one shot with no 'give' to ruin a fine stock.

M'bogo

 

[rcmodel]

Lead-Sleds are very hard on any hard kicking firearm.
I have seen several wood stocks cracked or otherwise damaged by a lead-Sleds, "no-give" approach to recoil control.

Somehow, this doesn't surprise me at all.

rcmodel

 

[Float Pilot]

I did not have any sand bags on the lead sled. I was using it for load development and the hot barrel test. So it was able to recoil across the table top. But I am sure it helped add drag to the recoil.

 

[doctorxring]

If you had no lead in the Sled, then I would say that
it's a crap stock for sure. Remington should replace it.

dxr

 

[esmith]

 

[Steve H]

? about the bolt

It's been a few years since I have been around a new Remmigton. When did they go the the "twist" type bolt?

 

[rcmodel]

I think it's specific to the Mountain Ti lightweight rifle, and perhaps a few other special custom shop models.

rcmodel

 

[jmr40]

Fluting on the bolt is to reduce weight. It is only used on the Titanium receiver guns. I think they have been discontinued. Never seen one in person but would like to own one.

 

[Float Pilot]

This is how it was shooting just before I broke it...A lot better than when it came out of the box. It shot horrible groups fresh from the factory.

It sure was a dream to carry.

Steve H. Not only was the bolt fluted with that cool twisting flutes, but the underside of the bolt handle was hollowed out. The barrel is very thin, there is no floorplate and even the carbon/foam/kevlar stock had hollow spots.