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Remeber how we joked the UK would want to ban pointy knives?...

Discussion in 'Legal' started by epijunkie67, Jan 16, 2006.

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  1. epijunkie67

    epijunkie67 Member

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    http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/campaigns/2006/01jan/060116sam.shtml

    Not a government thing yet but this is where these kinds of things start. I love the last part of the article.
    I thought banning guns was supposed to do all that?
     
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    Registration of baseball bats and rocks are just around the corner for them.
     
  3. Carlos

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    :barf: Ban everything you don't understand. Yup, I buy that. :banghead:
     
  4. boofus

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    Wow if a sword is terrifying I wonder what they think about my select-fire FNC. It must be horrificly mortifyingly petrifyingly shat-my-pants scary for those serfs.

    It's getting to be even worse than feudal Europe. At least peasants could keep kitchen knives, hatchets, and scythes back then.
     
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    The once great nation of England is dead. The Empire on which the Sun never Set is no more. What the hell happened to those people?
     
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    Last I heard, they were about to ban gun replicas, too.

    I'm expecting them to ban imaginary mental pictures of guns, next.

    Ironic that in a place where the downtown foot police carry MP5s (and jumpily execute people in subways) that guns are too dangerous for the law-abiding citizen to have...
     
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    So many things wrong about that statement.....
     
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    Long fingernails are next, followed by sharp, hurtful looks.
     
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    Doctors seek kitchen knife ban

    LONG, pointed kitchen knives should be banned as part of a concerted effort to reduce the terrible injuries and deaths caused by stabbing attacks, doctors warned today.

    Accident and emergency medics claim the knives serve no useful purpose in the kitchen but are proving deadly on the streets of Britain, with the doctors claiming the knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.
     
  10. McCall911

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    But so far it's just an opinion in a news article, if we understand correctly.

    And I wish I hadn't read all that about the marshmallows, sweets, etc. because I'm in danger of straying from my diet! :D
     
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    Bold- It was already illegal. He was stabbed in a public place, thus the sword had to have been carried into a public place.

    Italic- As soon as one person does something stupid with an item, the item must be banned, so that no one can have the items at all.


    "I found it staggering that I was able to go into a city centre shop and in a matter of minutes walk out with such a dangerous, offensive weapon - I've spent more time in my local newsagents picking numbers for the lottery or buying a bag of marshmallows than I did buying the sword."

    ROFLLMFAO

    Wonder what he would think of a gun shop in america!!!!
     
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    An opinion in a news article, followed by a call to action by the paper's editorial board supported by local agents of the state.

    Ag,

    You know I respect you and I no longer buy into the crud we have commonly slung about crime statistics and "serf" comments, but you have to admit this knee-jerk "ban scary things" response to crime on the part of the media and some local governments over there is getting ridiculous.

    Are we just not getting the contrary and sensible responses from your lawmakers, editors and citizenry that perhaps the "things" are not the problem reported to us over here? I find it hard to believe there aren't voices crying in the wilderness that the traditional rights of Britons are being savaged in this mindless quest for the illusion of safety.

    But, as you know, I am biased. :D

    Keep yourself safe out there on the job.
     
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    Yes, but the point about this article is just that its the media, a murdered mans family and bandwagon-jumpers who are backing this "campaign" (a campaign which doesnt appear to have left Exeter by the way). I put rather less faith in its likelyhood of becoming law than the following article, which was widely reported in the Sunday press (and which is surely only waiting for a politician to pick up the ball and run with it):

    http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1686974,00.html
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1986267,00.html

    I appreciate this is in no way aimed at you, but its funny how you are the exception to the rest of the posters in this thread who have found one article, on a foriegn local paper that it is very likely noone has ever heard of before, and extrapolate government policy from it.
     
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    Found this previous article. I assume from context that Mr. Kwarteng lost the election but his responses, as at least an aspiring politician, are revealing. He correctly points out the difference between actual crime and the public perception of crime. He correctly points out that one job of government is to address not only reality but public perception. But what he never does is address making the public feel safer by allowing them to defend themselves. His comments revolve around regaining public trust in the "system" by regaining some sanity in the certainty of conviction and the severity of punishment. Which is good.

    Unfortunately, no mention is made of allowing or encouraging folks to both defend themselves and to allowing them effective means (weapons) to do so. It is revealing because it isn't just "his opinion". As a competent politician (aspiring) we can assume he takes positions that reflect his understanding of what the people want to hear. Either the politicians are in a serious disconnect or "the people", in an electionally significant percentage, haven't decided they need to be armed.

    I guess my point is, are there actually politicians who will run with this, minus a real public outcry? This guy apparently won't, and he considered himself a friend.
     
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    I hope you don't think I was implying this was going to happen any time soon by posting it here. I just found it amazing that peole could have such an outrageous attitude. A few isolated people are always going to advocate extreamist measures but this goes beyond a few isolated people. Now a nationwide thing, no. But still, more than a small handful.

    Every time someplace bans weapons at the city, state, or country level, they expect the crime rate to go down. And of course it doesn't. They just use different weapons. So they want to ban more and more things without ever actually acknowledging that the problem isn't the weapons, it's the people who use them.
     
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    Heaven help them, they're going to need it. :barf:

    Based upon the progression of events up to this point they may as well create individual, very carefully climate controlled and biohazard proof, padded rooms for each individual person in the UK such that none of them ever gets sick, injured or even looked at wrong.

    In the darkest recesses of my mind I fear that the UK will be very ripe for invasion and enslavement in another 35-40 years or so. Just imagine how things would have gone back in WWII if they'd had the same mentality back then that they have today.

    I'm also of the opinion that neither the United Nations, nor the US is responsible for preserving their sovereignty and with the way the world is lashing out at the ole USA these days (which will only get worse), I'm beginning to think that we will be either unable or unwilling to protect them when that time comes. I'm glad I won't be around to see it!
     
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    Don't worry residents of the UK; all the bad people will line up to surrender their sharp objects to the royal government...criminals always obey the law...
     
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    Now wait a minute, pardner. What "rest of the posters?"
    I was the one who brought that up first.

    :D
     
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    I'm sorry to say that Victoria, Australia is already ahead of the UK. Nowdays you need a licence to purchase and own any type of sword, and you can't own a sharp one either. I seem to recall it was mainly due to a fella getting his hand chopped off a few years ago, the media made a massive fuss over it, and there you go. Bye bye to swords.

    Not to mention that the coppers haven't got a clue what form you need to apply for the licence, and that the licenceing service is known for not sending people the form either, when they ask for one. I know people who've been waiting over a year to fill it out, yet they still havn't recived one, even with mulitple calls to find out what's taken so long.
     
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    And don't forget that croquet mallets can easily get past metal detectors...

    :D, Art
     
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    Or, for that matter, 2x4's with nails, sharpened tree branches, and thick PVC piping...
     
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    How about this. Having been there and seen the results of a soccer brawl, they would be far more likely to prevent injury and death by banning BEER and SOCCER> They make seem to be a national DUTY to sitfor a acouple of hours and suffer to watch SOCCER.>when that fails to offer amusement to the peasant hordes. They serve them drink. LOTS of it, gallons of the stuff, and the serve it pipping hot, they call it warm but it is hot when you get it at a Soccer Pitch. And they wonder why people upon leaving five hours of BOREDOM interspersed with hot beer, become violent, and Violent they become. anyone wearing even a smidgeon of the wrong colors is beaten within an inch of there life if they are lucky.

    Ban SOCCER and BEER in England. violence will stop.
     
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    Pete - I am an Ex Pat - and until 2000 when I left thought exactly that - and still do in fact.

    For some reason the idiots who go to games have only drink and ''trouble'' in mind - it seems they do not want to watch the game - which incidentally always bored my butt off - but that's just me LOL!

    In fairness, there are folks who genuinely want to go for sensible reasons - trouble is, so often - they get their whole session ruined by the punks. To maintain a weapons flavor - the worst of these too will often have blades and/or box cutters with them!!
     
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    From BBC Online this evening

    Irony? :uhoh:
     
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