Remember me saying I hate feral dogs????

[Lupinus]

I live in town so no worries of ferals

However, once I get out of town like I plan to one touches one of my cats and it is a dead doggie.

Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up

 

[MCgunner]

A .22 will kill about any dog. I can't go shootin' a .223 inside the city limits. CB shorts are my choice. They're silent without a silencer.

I have shot a couple out of my deer stand with a .308. It seemed to work pretty well, too. It ain't no AR or anything, though. I mean, I wouldn't wanna blow 'em in half with the power of the .223 and all. Might be a little messy. I'm not sure how, but I got one shot stops with that pathetically underpowered .308. But, then again, the one I shot in the head with my NAA mini revolver dropped dead in his tracks, too.

 

[Dravur]

I whacked my neighbor's dog...

We had a horse/cattle ranch in MT. Well, one day, a guy bought a ranch down the road from us, typical NY lib moves to the country and thinks he is a rancher. Well, he had to buy the obligitory pack of dogs. Well, these dogs would chase our horses and cattle as he did nothing to control them.

We asked him nicely to keep control of the dogs, never mentioning that we had the right to blast his dogs off the face of the earth <Ignorance of the law and all that> Well, one day, they killed a calf and happened to be standing over the kill when i shot them from a neighboring pasture with a .30-06. I called up The "Pilgrim" as we used to call him and let him know thatr he could come get his dogs, but to bring a truck.

Boy was he hot, he threatened to sue, and screamed that he had called the cops etc. Well, it happens , Ole Sherrif Onstad was nearby and came on out as he was a friend. The Pilgrim was not happy when he was served a series of Dog at Large tickets and told in no uncertain terms that he just bought a dead calf.

We didn't see much of him after that.

 

[Lupinus]

I never understood why people let their dogs roam and then are surprised when the things get killed.

A cat or a small (not medium, small as in....small) dog can be one thing and so long as they aren't bothering anything I don't consider any big deal. But in turn if my cats get out while I may not be happy if they don't come back I'm not going to be surprised either or angry at someone for shooting it if they try and get at their rabbits or something.

As for large dogs, if you have a large dog you let run loose and don't own a few hundred acres for it to do so on you are an idiot, large dogs form packs, packs hunt and kill things, a large dog on my property would be very likly to get shot unless I knew the owner and knew they were responsible and it just happened to be a rare case of the dog got loose.

 

[trueblue1776]

Feral dogs freak me out, down in Mobile by the brookley airport I've seen packs of 12+ feral dogs, some of them were G. Shep size nasty little buggers.

To all these people who loose cats (with exception the folks in the city): Did the mean coyotes hurt your kitty, well maybe noooobody told you there was big mean coyotes in the country. Just kidding guys, I got nothing against a man who likes (snicker) cats.

And to the ranchers: if by some odd twist of fate my catch dogs get out and kill your sheep, dont kill my dogs (they have collars), I will pay twice any damage my dogs cause, and I'll give you a couple of ABD's to raise on your farm to make sure nothing comes near your sheep.

 

[MCgunner]

Cats don't kill livestock and while I shoot feral cats on my place (they're hard on the quail population) cats keep the rats down out in my old shop. It's rat infested if I don't have cats around.

OTOH dogs will kill animals. Some don't, some do have that tendency and they'll join a pack in a heartbeat. All bets are off in the pack mentality.

Where I grew up, people let their dogs roam the neighborhood and most didn't bother folk's chickens and livestock. When one did, he was eliminated and sometimes by the owner who didn't want him if he was going to kill livestock.

I've owned beagles and labs. I either pinned or teathered 'em in the yard. I don't keep dogs anymore since my lab got ripped off some years ago. I had one get loose and he was rather street dumb and got run over. Another got snake bit and died (lots of rattlers around here), so I only keep cats now to keep the rats down around here. The cat that was killed, though, was a house cat. She was fixed and didn't have urges, but would run outside when you weren't looking and the door was open, but she wasn't street wise and that pack of dogs got her. She was too dumb to climb a tree I guess. My other can, an outside cat that strayed up here and I took in was unharmed, but it was her kittens that were killed, too.

 

[Cosmoline]

A .22 will kill about any dog.

NO IT WILL NOT! I've personally sat in a vet's office and seen an Akita with two .22 holes through his chest walk in and get patched up. The neighbor had been taking shots at the dog as it was walking down the street.

I can't go shootin' a .223 inside the city limits. CB shorts are my choice. They're silent without a silencer.

If you have a right to shoot the dog, WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO DO IT QUIETLY AND WITHOUT ALERTING THE NEIGHBORS!!! I've never heard of any ordinance allowing you to fire a .22 LR but not a .223. Both will go miles on a rainbow trajectory. If you have no right to shoot them, don't shoot them. but if you have a right to shoot them DO IT F'ING PROPERLY OR STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM! A .22 CB short is woefully inadequate to kill anything this side of a small squirrel. A PELLET GUN CARRIES MORE ENERGY THAN A .22 CB! Good lord man, read your damn ballistics tables!

I grabbed my .22 in the corner of my bedroom. My surviving cat was in the house, heard the barking, and bristled and growled like a friggin' mountain lion. I stepped out on the porch when the lead dog, a brown colored mutt, smallish, came around the driveway. I chambered a round and he took off like a banshee, apparently knew what a rifle was.

Has it dawned on you that the dog that ran when it heard the bolt close had been shot already by some bone headed Texican who also thought a .22 CB was enough for any dog?!

USE ENOUGH GUN! The .22 is for small game, unless you're breaking the law. And if you're breaking the law don't post about it here.

 

[Art Eatman]

Cosmo, a head shot inside your yard is a lot different from shooting out at 100 yards or more. Accuracy is part of the equation...

Another point is that when you have a pest, you do what you have to do: 1. Get rid of the pest, and 2. Stay cool with neighbors and the law.

Art

 

[Cosmoline]

In my book .22 CB is only appropriate for Ol Yeller as he's holding still looking up at you with big eyes as you stick the barrel against his brain pan, and even then it's iffy. Heck, you shoot yourself in the head with one and you'll have a fair chance of coming out with only some lost IQ. It's totally inappropriate for putting down predators, which is exactly what feral dogs are. Simply the wrong tool for the job. Where anybody got the idea it was appropriate for shots at fast moving feral dogs, I don't know. But it's a dangerous and foolish notion. Use the proper tool, or knock off the tom foolery.

As far as the 3S method, discussing it here pretty much destroys the all-important third S. And I'm not sure why you'd have to shut up about something as geuninely dangerous as feral dogs that have already taken sheep. If it's really your neighbor's stray, then you should be a man and go tell the neighbor what you had to do, rather than slyly sniping with an underpowered, low-noise firearm in the hopes that you can do it without having to admit to anything. This is what the fellow shooting the Akita figured, and he didn't do himself any favors with the law or his neighbors behaving in such an underhanded fashion.

 

[Koobuh]

"To all these people who loose cats (with exception the folks in the city): Did the mean coyotes hurt your kitty, well maybe noooobody told you there was big mean coyotes in the country. Just kidding guys, I got nothing against a man who likes (snicker) cats.

And to the ranchers: if by some odd twist of fate my catch dogs get out and kill your sheep, dont kill my dogs (they have collars), I will pay twice any damage my dogs cause, and I'll give you a couple of ABD's to raise on your farm to make sure nothing comes near your sheep."



Cats don't form packs and try to attack humans as well as domestic animals. I'd suggest you save your derision for people who enjoy the company of domestic cats for another, less 'catty' target.

Also, I'm sure your generous offer will replace that gold-star bloodline animal that I hand raised and was about to breed at $1000 per visit. Control your animals or they will be controlled for you.

 

[trueblue1776]

koobah, don't beat me up ok, accidents happen and decent people make good for them, thats all I'm saying, I'm glad my neighbors are a little more secure than....

 

[BIGJACK]

A properly placed .22 bullet will and has, at one time or other, killed nearly, if not, every animal on the north american continent. The key is "properly placed." Since I was a child, quite a number of years, I have seen a countless number of animals killed with a 22 short, up to and including 300# hogs.

 

[Nathan Williams]

This thread reminds me of a friend of my dads. We were out at his place once returning from a day of hunting, when he came out and pointed to a coyote on a hilside about 400 yards away. He then went in his shed to grab his AK47 . When he pointed the muzzle his only words were watch this, he then proceeded to unload a 30round mag at the old yote. I am not sure how many rounds it actually took to hit him but he went down pretty quick. When we walked up to get a look we counted no less than three holes.I thought that was pretty impressive for iron sights.

Oh and by the way a .22lr shooting CCI Stingers is more than enough for something dog sized. I have taken just as many coyotes with this round as I have with a .223. It is all about shot placement. Put a .22 in the head and it will go down.

 

[Cosmoline]

High vel .22 Stingers are not the same as a .22 CB. And a feral dog can run twice the size of a coyote. If they're already taking livestock I'd say it's time to put away the fricking toys.

 

[Art Eatman]

Cosmoline, a guy living with nearby neighbors is in a whole different bag of possible worms than a farmer or rancher. All it takes is one mouthy old woman to start a hate campaign, just because somebody made a loud noise when disposing of a cat-killing Phaideaux.

So: Very limited, rare deal--that occasionally happens.

From what I've read here and at TFL over the last eight years (sheesh!), it's pretty obvious that all of us prefer a quick, clean, ethical kill, even on pests and varmints.

Well, green, green, green at Michigan. CUL.

, Art

 

[Dale Taylor]

MCgunner, my mother said 2 wrongs don't make a right.' Hypocracy is all the feral cats killed here 6 months ago. [email protected]

 

[swampdog]

Hypocracy is all the feral cats killed here 6 months ago

Feral cats, feral dogs, they're both a problem. While feral cats don't form packs and certainly aren't dangerous to humans, they are very efficient predators. If you have a large population of feral cats, you won't have a rabbit population for long. They also carry diseases, like feline leukemia, that can infect domestic, well taken care of cats. Like any other exotic import, their population needs to be controlled.

I own two cats, both "rescued", btw, and a chocolate lab. All my animals are fixed and well taken care of. If more people were responsible pet owners, we wouldn't have as large of a problem. My girlfriend used to work at the SPCA. That's not a very pretty solution either. I almost feel it is kinder to shoot them.

Do you have a better solution? The problem doesn't seem to be going away.

 

[Art Eatman]

I don't think there's a humane shelter in the US that's not overwhelmed. People dumop "pets" out in the country, or let them run loose in town. You have feral cats in parks and on campuses, killing songbirds and squirrels. It's not just a problem "out in the coutnry".

A shotgun or a high-powered rifle is about as humane as you can get, I guess. Not everybody has the time to tame a feral critter, and might not need any more pets around the house. It's an individual decision; no "one size fits all".

As usual...

Art

 

[Dale Taylor]

Art like in diabetes thread I guess diferent strokes for diferent folks

 

[Thin Black Line]

I went in after it with a 1911A1 and hit it five seperate times before it stayed down.

Next time: 12g, 00B, one shot, 9 pellets, dog gone.

 

[mbt2001]

Here is another option...

Get some hunting dogs and track those suckers down... Do a rattlesnake round up kind of thing on some Saturday. This can be billed as the Redneck version of Fox hunting.

Not horses but ATV's. Not foxes, but mutts. Not foxhounds, but blueticks.

HAHAHAHA The third anual "kill the ugly, wild dog festival" BYOB

 

[MCgunner]

Cosmoline, firing a firearm inside city limits is NOT legal. However, I'm going to do it anyway, so sue me. These dogs are dangerous pests. I'm not one to call the po po over it. What can THEY do anyway? If my cat is up a tree, I don't dial 911 and get the fire department. I either take care of it or just let the cat come down when it gets hungry. I don't rely on anyone else, much less government, when I don't have to. These cat up a tree rescues you always see as anecdotes on the TV news just make me wanna throw up. Are people that helpless and reliant on government now days?

I've killed LOTS of dogs with a .22, btw, and it will work with proper bullet placement. A head shot does it every time, even from a mini revolver. However, I'm not really worried about bullet placement on these animals. They need killin' regardless of how it's done. None of these dogs are very big, either. Read the article.

That "fox hunt" thing would be fun on dirt bikes.

 

[swampdog]

That "fox hunt" thing would be fun on dirt bikes.

They used to run ferals on horseback, out your way, rope them and drag them. I believe they used the same dogs they ran cougars with.

It's my understanding that some hunting dogs will run ferals, some won't. One of the local hunting clubs tried it a couple of years ago with mixed results. My neighbor has got a pretty good pack of plotts and blueticks that will run just about anything he puts them on. He uses them mostly for bear. Most of the rest of the guys have deer dogs. To make a long story short, they managed to get a couple of ferals, but most of the deer dogs did what deer dogs do, run deer, and they ended up with dogs scattered all over the county. My neighbor was "upset" with one of his dogs that ended up with the deer dogs and he refuses to participate in another feral hunt for fear of "ruining" anymore of his dogs. When they were finished, they ended up with a couple of extra dogs that no one claimed, which shows how confused the whole mess was. They were lucky no one shot one of the hunting dogs.

Good Luck

 

[sturmruger]

This is kind of a tough subject for me because my dog was killed after she got mixed up with a pack of feral dogs. She was a choclate lab that had just had a bunch of puppies. The pups were about a month old when we noticed that she was gone one day. Two days later we got a call from a neighbor about a mile away. He said that she had gotten mixed up with some feral dogs and had broken into his deer pen and attacked one of his farm raised deer!! For some reason he was only able to shoot our dog and the other dogs were never seen.

I used to do a lot of small game hunting with her and know that she was not the kind of dog to kill things. Sometimes she would grab a wounded rabbit or squerrel but she never tried to kill it just bring it over to me. I believe she got mixed up with the feral dogs because I had never seen her go after another living animal like she did this guys deer.

It was a pretty traumatic expierence for our family. The guy brought her over in his pcikup and dumped her in our yard while my sisters were playing house!! They cried for almost an hour. In the end it was our fault that she got killed I suppose we should have tied her up, but she had never left the yard in 4 years.

 

[Karbon]

Any one heard of "be sure of your target"?

We had a family memebers dog get shot a few years back when she was out in the corn field following the John Deer around during planting, about 50 yards back.

A "concerned hunter" thought she (a 110 lb black lab with and blaze orange collar) was a "wild dog" or coyote. So he hopped out of the pickup and hit her with a 30-06 round. DRT because of some A-hole with a rifle.

Needless to say our family member almost went to jail, and the guys truck was no longer funtional.

She was his best friend, they truly were inseperatable. She went everywhere on that farm or where ever else he went. That is, she did.

My point is every dog not attached to an eight foot leash is not a wild, card carrying member of a pack. Sometimes dogs get out, sometimes not. But if you are in question, unsure...don't shoot.
Check with neighbors or whatever. But if you are ABSOLUTLY Sure it's a pack dog, be humane and use enough gun.

RIP Sydney...1996-1999.