Remembering the Holocaust

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To all our Jewish members, I respectfully and prayerfully wish you a holy Yom HaShoah. May the world never forget!

In commemoration, the Wall Street Journal (http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110006658) published this article. I've highlighted in bold one of the most remarkable Holocaust stories I've ever read.

Stories of Survival

Told on a Jewish holy day like no other.

BY SETH M. SIEGEL
Friday, May 6, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

Today is Yom HaShoah, Holocaust Memorial Day. It is a Jewish holy day unlike any other, and not only because of its relatively recent creation.

The day of commemoration was set by Israel's Parliament in 1951 after an intense debate--among religious groups, Zionist organizations and survivors--over its proper date on the Hebrew calendar. Clearly there was no one day on which the Holocaust "happened"; it began, arguably, in November 1938 and continued until the end of the war in Europe in April 1945. The Israeli Parliament finally decided Yom HaShoah would fall a few days after the end of Passover, keeping it within the Hebrew month of the most famous anti-Nazi Jewish uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto and yet pushing this painful memorial past the days of joy celebrating the ancient exodus from Egypt.

Now, 60 years after the end of World War II, a new (if lesser) tension fills Jewish communities in connection with Yom HaShoah: How to celebrate it and keep it relevant?

Judaism is famous for its precise dictates of rite and ritual. Observant Jews know what is expected of them religiously from the time they rise until the time they go to sleep. By contrast, Yom HaShoah comes with no specific prayers, no obligation to fast. As to relevance, some--particularly in the more liberal Reform congregations and on college campuses--would strip Yom HaShoah of its uniquely Jewish dimension and put a universal cast on it, equating the Holocaust with other acts of genocide, such as Rwanda or Darfur.

"Many Reform congregations have conflated other peoples' tragedies with a universalizing of the Jewish message of Yom HaShoah," says Rabbi David Ellenson, president of Hebrew Union College, the Reform movement's rabbinical seminary. "Without minimizing any other group's pain here, Yom HaShoah offers an appropriate moment to look inward and to understand the uniquely Jewish reality of the Holocaust." Its victims were singled out, after all, for the sole reason that they were Jews.

Still, how to commemorate Yom HaShoah? In Israel, it is a melancholy day, marked by two minutes of wailing sirens during which the country comes to a silent standstill. In America, all three main denominations have evening synagogue services of some kind, in which candles are lit, prayers for the dead are recited, somber readings and liturgical poetry are offered and a tiny percentage of the names of the six million murdered Jews are read. (Ultra-Orthodox Jews refuse to acknowledge Yom HaShoah: They believe that communal mourning is subsumed in another day of commemoration, Tisha B'Av.)

From its earliest observance, Yom HaShoah focused in part on the hopeful and heroic--the glimmers of light in the otherwise unremitting darkness of those years. "Who was a hero?" asks Dr. Jacob J. Schacter, dean of the (Orthodox) Rabbi Soloveitchik Institute in Boston. "Ghetto fighters, partisans, resisters of any kind, even those who continued to live a moral life in the face of such evil."

In preparation for this year's Yom HaShoah, a Jewish school in New York discovered one such act of defiance and survival. At a recent parents' meeting at the progressive Abraham Joshua Heschel School on Manhattan's Upper West Side, two fathers of young daughters introduced themselves and learned, remarkably, that both of their fathers had been born in the same small Ukrainian town.

The Heschel parents, an American and an Israeli, realized that, since there was only a single Nazi transport from the town, both of their fathers were undoubtedly on the same train bound for an extermination camp in October 1942. The American told of his then 19-year-old father, who escaped by jumping through a plank he had dislodged from above a window in the car. His father, telling the story, always added that, before he jumped, he pushed a boy up and out through that loosened plank.

The Israeli instantly knew who the boy was, for his own father had always told of how there was an opening too high for him to reach--he was then age 11--and of how an older boy lifted him up and pushed him out. The two boys never saw each other again, but each, miraculously, survived the war by hiding in Ukrainian farms and forests. Now their children, so far in time and space from these events, came to learn that their daughters are in the same class.


In earlier years, the school's Yom HaShoah memorials have featured Heschel grandparents, including leaders of anti-Nazi partisan groups and survivors who described life in the ghettos. Those presentations were extraordinary, but perhaps none was equal to this story of entwined generations--and the hope it offers.
 
And the cycle is complete, yet to begin another. I wish my Jewish friends a good remembrance, and top it off with watching that famous video of the swastica being blown of the Reichstag.
 
As a rememberence I offer the following:

In 1993 my mother and I went back to Germany and visited my grandmother who was getting on in age and suffering from Alzheimer's. She was living in a family care group home in Northern Germany and clearly had very little short term memory. After dinner we started going through her old photo albums. This woman who couldn't remember what she had for lunch could remember the names of people and places in photographs that were 60+ years old. As we hit the late 30s and early 40s we started hitting pages where the photos were missing. The little corner holders were there but the photos were gone. It was quite chilling to see this go on until 45 or 46 when pictures started appearing, including those of my mother as a baby.

It turns out it was quite common for Germans to have tried to excise any connection they had with the German military, govt., etc. I've no idea what my legal grandfather did in the war, but I know that my grandmother, like a lot of Germans, tried to pretend it never happened.

Now that the generation of WWII is dying or gone it is up to the rest of us to remember that the path to tyranny and evil begins with small steps. And those who fail to question authority (or who question the patriotism of those who question authority) may end up deeply regretting their blind devotion.

I do not believe we will see another shoah. History never repeats itself precisely. But we continue to see people willing to exterminate others based upon a characteristic or a belief. Do we owe a legal duty to the Christians of Darfur? No. Do we owe them a moral duty? Perhaps.
 
Man, why can't newspapers write more stuff like that? I'd read good news, if it weren't buried in political mud wrestling :)
Salut to the journalist who stepped above himself to report it.
 
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this is why I joined the NRA

At 34 years old I see many (there and in europe) forgeting the hard lessons learned in WW2. (I do believe the Public education system is not teaching these lessons....by design)

I did not join any US militery when I was younger. Nor was I a Boy scout. (not being a boy scout is one of my true regrets in life) At 32 I "discovered" guns (through hunting with my brother's inlaws). I was always conservative but never thought of guns much. Now I have come to believe that the armed citizen is the foundation of freedom. And that the armed citizen is more important to this country than any new whiz bang state-of-the-art militery toy. (yes I'm pro-militery....to a point)
Last week Frontline had a Holocaust show on and for Public TV it was really good :what: It justs makes me more committed to our Civil Rights...the 2A being the most important.
Education Education Education. It can happen here. Rome fell too
 
Welcome crewsr! You will find that your knoweledge of firearms, history, and the state of humanity will increase from your stops here at the High Road. It is not only the Germans but the Japanese and the Italians who want to forget the past. :fire: The Japanese take it to an extreme in their history books as they blame the U.S. for the attack on Pearl Harbor,and call the Rape of Nanking, where an entire city was put to the bayonet, an "incident". :what:

Oneshooter
Livin in Texas
 
The Holocaust was a horrible event, without question.

I am getting tired though of hearing, "Never Again".

Since it has ALREADY happened again on multiple occasions around the world, a more appropriate phrase would be "Never Forget". :mad:
 
'Never again' is not an admonition for the world in total focus. It is an admonition aimed at people of the Jewish faith, to remind them that it easily could happen again. The roots of antisemitism are still strong in the extremists of the Christian world and in Islam.

The term has a proactive nature, implying that the passive strategy of hiding and hoping that the bad times will pass, will not work. One must be active against the extremists in all arenas.

Jews can never let their guard down.

The rest of the world can say 'Never Forget'. Jews must say 'Never again'.

One can also use the term to mean that the world should not allow other genocides to occur. That is good. However, the original usage is as I stated
So if you are not Jewish, it may not apply to you. Ignore it if you want. "Never forget" might serve you.
 
It's well and good that the victims of the Holocaust are remembered.

I wish that the victims of the Socialist Holocaust, well over 100 million souls, were as well remembered. Listening to the liberal/leftists on DU, and on this board as well, they have not.

Nazism is dead and gone, but the forces of Islamofacism and Socialism are alive and well, and waiting to murder millions more. All in the name of "peace" and "social justice", of course.
 
I saw an ad on TV, it wasn't on MTV but it was an ad for MTV. They were doing a special on the Holocaust and found out that about 50% of students don't know what the holocaust was.

They even went as far as street interviews with some high school aged kids. One particular guy, who looked like a wannabe homie, said, "That's in the past, we don't wanna be learnin' 'bout no 18th century stuff."

If it weren't for the events of the past and who people who stood up for what they stood up for and for their sacrifice, that guy wouldn't have the freedom he does now. It's stuff like that that really disappoints me.
 
i want to just add the Holocaust did not just get the Jews, although obviously they took most of the pain.
i personally am rabidly against anti semitism or racsim of any sort, and this is why i thikn it was passed on to me.

When the Germans got to my grandma's town in Czechoslovakia =
first they took away the Jews, inculding my grandma's playmate, a boy across the street.
then they told everyone they had to submit to the Nazis (not exactly sure how that worked).
then= anyone who didn't join= the father placed inside the house.
the family placed outside to watch as
house is set on fire.

i can't go visit where she was from as it is not the same place= on their way out, the Germans burned the whole town to the ground. (that is admittedly a common military practice, but i still hate them for it)

and it all started from the same lame tactic people have today all over the world- that is it ok to call Jews money grubbers or whatever.
it is truly appalling the way some very racist insults are considered "generic" by so many people.

Nazism is dead and gone
that isn't entirely true either.

sure , it seems unlikely it will ever make it to a govt level again, but it is stilll trouble in places.

sorry i just get frustrated by this subject, i have heard so so many so called "pc" types all of a sudden use the word "Jew" as a put down , heard my Jewish friends referd to as cheap, etc
and like i said, in the end= those Nazi pigs came for everyone that wasnt with them, not just the Jews.

the whole "there was no one left to speak out "

my grandma's town, they were the ones left with no one to speak out.
 
During WW II, back before TV, the movies had "news reels" of events around the world. I still recall the footage of the liberation of some of the concentration camps. I still recall what folks looked like after years of starvation diets.

My father's unit of Patton's 3rd liberated the town of Dortmund; it was a work-camp locale.

On a jaunt through Germany a few years back, I did the guided tour of Dachau.

I don't know why the UN vote creating the state of Israel in 1948 caught my attention at age 14, but it did. The result is that I've kept fairly current about the various events of that part of the world for, what, 57 years, now.

I don't make a big deal of it, but "Never Again!" and "Masada shall not fall again." are in a sort of personal file drawer in the back of my mind. Let's just say that certain types of mouth music bring that stuff to the front part of my mind, and my old red neck starts glowing...

Art
 
I saw an ad on TV, it wasn't on MTV but it was an ad for MTV. They were doing a special on the Holocaust and found out that about 50% of students don't know what the holocaust was.

That's impossible. They pound it into our heads from 6th grade.
 
Blackcat, lighten up. We'll somehow find a way to stretch the definition of "civil rights" to include the newly discovered "right not to be imprisoned and murdered by your government for no very good reason at all."

(If that was too subtle, this thread is clearly on topic in Legal and Political.)
 
Nazism is dead and gone, but the forces of Islamofacism and Socialism are alive and well,

I am afraid you are misinformed. The Baath parties of Iraq and Syria were/are national socialist parties and direct descendants of Nazi Germany.

Also, If you look carefully at the core tenents of any number of "socialist" regimes (which tend to be ruled by one person or family...) you will find striking similarlities to the national socialist doctrines of Nazi Germany. Turkmenistan comes to mind. A number of African countries also arguable fit the label of national socialists.

As I've pointed out above, my mother was German and I am a bit rabid when it comes to totalitarianism of any stripe. My apologies if you took this as a criticism.
 
The Baath parties of Iraq and Syria were/are national socialist parties and direct descendants of Nazi Germany.
Actually, they are direct decendents of Stalinism.

Fascism is nothing more than totalitarian socialists dressed up with nationalist ferver. By today's standards, they're left-wing nutcases. "Neo-nazis" are nothing more than a pathetic Hitler cult of personality, divorced from the economic foundation of Fascism.

Nazis = National Socialists = Socialists = Communists = Fascism = Baathists, they're all peas in the same rotten pod, exalting central control over the rights of the individual.

The Baath parties are actually direct decendents of Stalinism, Saddam actually studied Stalin and Hitler, decided they weren't brutal enough, and strove to surpass them.
 
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