I lost a nice deer due to cheep ass corelokts today, pulled the trigger and gun went snap. Just as I was about to wrap my new ruger around a tree I decided to look at the cartridge, good thing I didnt hit that tree. The primer on the cartridge was setting way to far in. The primer was just barely struck by the firing pin. Guys I have been a Remington fan for years but never again will I buy their cheap shells for anything serious like hunting.
remington ammo = junk
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Mulliga
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That sucks...
...but this can happen with any ammo. I've shot several boxes of the Core-Lokts and they seemed fine. Perhaps a particular lot was bad?
...but this can happen with any ammo. I've shot several boxes of the Core-Lokts and they seemed fine. Perhaps a particular lot was bad?
mastinson said:
So, let me understand this....you only looked at your ammo after a malfunction, in the field, spoiling a hunt, correct?
I suppose there's a good reason you don't inspect the cartridge you hope to take your game with, but damn if I can come up with one. It's probably best to blame the ammo, tho.
chevrofreak
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At a range day a local gun store used to put on, they were sighting in a Savage 10FP LE something or other with remington ammo and one of the rounds actually imprinted its headstamp onto the bolt face. The Remington rep happened to be standing right there when it happened.
Lets just say, that rifle now belongs to Remington. (I got to put 20 rounds through it first
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Lets just say, that rifle now belongs to Remington. (I got to put 20 rounds through it first
)Guess it never occured to you to inspect your ammo prior to loading?
2,000 .45 ACP Remington UMC FMJs later, I've had no problems in my Glock.
However, the hard primers on Winchester White Box don't agree with my Glock.
My .30-30 liked Core-Lokts just fine.
2,000 .45 ACP Remington UMC FMJs later, I've had no problems in my Glock.
However, the hard primers on Winchester White Box don't agree with my Glock.
My .30-30 liked Core-Lokts just fine.
Pumpkinheaver
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I had a similar thing happen to me. I tried to shoot one of the biggest deer I have ever seen and was foiled by a dud round of remington ammo. I havn't bought any of their ammo in years and probably never will. I use mostly handloaded ammo these days, but if I need a box of factory stuff it's usually winchester of federal premium ammo.
I have killed a number of deer with Remington 150 grain PSP, 180 grain soft points in a Remington Mdl 7 .308 when younger. I never had a problem with them going off. I did shoot a small doe at 140 yds if I remember correctly, the 180 round softpoint did not work well on the small doe. Now older and more educated I use 165 grain and 130 grain WW powerpoints in my 30-06 and 270. If I was going to Texas on an expensive hunt I guess I would buy some expensive ammunition. I also want to get into reloading right after I grow an extra set of hands and add 8 more hours to the day. Right now its just the wife, kids, work, hunt when possible. jimmyp
rbernie
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I use Rem 150gr 7x57 almost exclusively for my Chilean Mauser - the Mauser likes it best (sub-MOA groupings), and it's never let me down. I've shot hundreds and hundreds of this round thru this Mauser with no issues whatsoever. In fact, last Saturday AM this combo took a nice fallow doe that was dropped where she stood, DRT.
This is clearly a case of YMMV. But I'd not be one to advise throwing the baby out with the bathwater because Remington's QC wasn't PERFECT (nobody's is) and because you failed to perform a pre-hunt equipment check.
This is clearly a case of YMMV. But I'd not be one to advise throwing the baby out with the bathwater because Remington's QC wasn't PERFECT (nobody's is) and because you failed to perform a pre-hunt equipment check.
Black Snowman
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It would be nice if the round had been inspected before. The priming equipment they used may seat to a depth not to a pressure (indicating full seating) which would have resulted in no differance in appearance in the ammo but would have absorbed almost all of the impact of the firing pin as the primer sat deeper.
The most likely cause is that a large pistol primer got mixed in with the large rifle primers. They are slightly shorter and would have resulted in the condition described. It's still possible that the ammo appeared fine. A deep primer is something I would notice just openning the box and looking at the rounds still in the packaging so I'm guess it wasn't seated deep but the wrong size primer.
For those who don't reload, large rifle primers and large pistol primers are the same diameter but the rifle primers are slightly longer.
I've had good experiance with Remington bullets, but poor experiance with their brass and loaded ammunition. I haven't used their primers.
The most likely cause is that a large pistol primer got mixed in with the large rifle primers. They are slightly shorter and would have resulted in the condition described. It's still possible that the ammo appeared fine. A deep primer is something I would notice just openning the box and looking at the rounds still in the packaging so I'm guess it wasn't seated deep but the wrong size primer.
For those who don't reload, large rifle primers and large pistol primers are the same diameter but the rifle primers are slightly longer.
I've had good experiance with Remington bullets, but poor experiance with their brass and loaded ammunition. I haven't used their primers.
mastinson said:
I'm curious what "way to far in" is? Do you have a mic you can measure the depth with? To eliminate the rifle (you said it was a Ruger) do you have access to another rifle you can try this round in? Do other rounds in that box also have their primers seated deep?
litman252
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One stupid little thing that always bugged me about Rem ammo was that there cases always look like crap when compared to any other brand.
If they don't care about the outside, do they care about the inside???
PTP
Tony
If they don't care about the outside, do they care about the inside???
PTP
Tony
g_gunter
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Remington Core-Lokt eratic...
My experience with Remington Core-Lokt ammo for my 30-30 is that it is not always consistent. The latest example today was firing my 30-30 at 50 yds. making sure my scope was ready for deer season and had 3 flyers out of 17 at about 3 inches above and to the left of where the rest were impacting (they weren't grouped - true flyers). The rest grouped fine. In my opinion, that's pretty bad at 50 yards using a scope since it will only be more exaggerated at 100-150 yds.
On the other hand, I've never had a problem with Winchester. Go figure?
g_gunter
My experience with Remington Core-Lokt ammo for my 30-30 is that it is not always consistent. The latest example today was firing my 30-30 at 50 yds. making sure my scope was ready for deer season and had 3 flyers out of 17 at about 3 inches above and to the left of where the rest were impacting (they weren't grouped - true flyers). The rest grouped fine. In my opinion, that's pretty bad at 50 yards using a scope since it will only be more exaggerated at 100-150 yds.
On the other hand, I've never had a problem with Winchester. Go figure?
g_gunter
rbernie
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Each rifle will have a preferred diet. For example, my 7x57 loves the Remington factory stuff and tolerates the S&B fodder, but hates the PMC and Winchester stuff. So long as they all go BOOM, I figure that one of my responsibilities is to find out what my rifle likes and doesn't like. It sounds as if you're doing just that.
But I certainly don't consider PMC to be crap because my 7x57 doesn't like it. Especially because my 303 prefers the PMC stuff over the Rem and Win and PMP loads.
But I certainly don't consider PMC to be crap because my 7x57 doesn't like it. Especially because my 303 prefers the PMC stuff over the Rem and Win and PMP loads.
lycanthrope
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Even if you handload you need to check your primer depth. Equipment and ammo failures happen. Check and doublecheck.
RaySendero
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mastinson,
Sorry to hear about your lost deer. I see a lot of Remington CoreLokt ammo at the range this time of year - New rifles, last minute sight-ins, cheap pratice, etc. I've never seen anyone have a misfire so I don't believe they are that common. Also know 2 gunsmiths in the area that prefer to use CoreLokts when someone brings in an "accuracy problem". I myself have used them some time ago with a 30/06 - many deer and no misfires.
Don't use them any more as I prefer to reload. But I do reload the bulk priced CoreLokt bullets for low cost practice and they are very accurate. From my 270, they will print close to match bullets out to around 250 yards! They are a great close-in (or youth) deer round with the 130s loaded down to about 2700fps.
Sorry to hear about your lost deer. I see a lot of Remington CoreLokt ammo at the range this time of year - New rifles, last minute sight-ins, cheap pratice, etc. I've never seen anyone have a misfire so I don't believe they are that common. Also know 2 gunsmiths in the area that prefer to use CoreLokts when someone brings in an "accuracy problem". I myself have used them some time ago with a 30/06 - many deer and no misfires.
Don't use them any more as I prefer to reload. But I do reload the bulk priced CoreLokt bullets for low cost practice and they are very accurate. From my 270, they will print close to match bullets out to around 250 yards! They are a great close-in (or youth) deer round with the 130s loaded down to about 2700fps.
Ky Thunder
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Mastinson,i've had duds and squib loads with Remington 22's,the UMC .40's and Remington shotshells.Their Q.C.isn't up to par,and hasn't been in years.I don't use Remington ammo anymore either.
Steve Smith
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It sounds like your faith in Remington would have remained unchecked if it had happened at the range, so why is it different when there is a "nice buck" in front of you?
Everyone, from handloaders to primer manufacturers, to bullet makers, to case manufaturers to complete ammunition manufacturers can have a bad round come out. If you think of the MILLIONS that they produce every year, surely they will have a few that are duds. It is inevitible. It was purely coincidence that you found one at an inopprtune time.
Either:
1. Accept that you had an unlucky draw and press on with Remington.
or
2. Choose to accept all responsibility for future failures by making your own ammo.
Everyone, from handloaders to primer manufacturers, to bullet makers, to case manufaturers to complete ammunition manufacturers can have a bad round come out. If you think of the MILLIONS that they produce every year, surely they will have a few that are duds. It is inevitible. It was purely coincidence that you found one at an inopprtune time.
Either:
1. Accept that you had an unlucky draw and press on with Remington.
or
2. Choose to accept all responsibility for future failures by making your own ammo.
MagnumCaliber357
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i suggest writting a nice and long complaint to Remington describing th situation and how you werent able to bring home the bacon and very disappointed as a loyal customer and mabey thell send you some free ???? 
sry free stuff....stuff :banghead:
sry free stuff....stuff :banghead:
i'm somewhat skeptical. seating the primer farther in typically causes the primers to be MORE sensitive to hammer strikes, not LESS.
Also, I'm pretty sure most hammers extend far enough from the face of the bolt to ignite primers no matter how deep (within reason) you set them.
Finally, remington primers are the softest I'm aware of (softer than CCI and Winchester). I have a few guns that don't cotton to CCI primers. I have to let the hammer down the fun way on them 2 or 3 times before they go boom. So I use a lot of remington primers.
i'll grant you that corlokt (however you spell it) is the suck. out of my rem700 .308 from a bench, corelokt keeps 6" groups, while my handloads (sierra matchkings) are same hole.
but who knows? as was mentioned previously, stranger things have happened.
Also, I'm pretty sure most hammers extend far enough from the face of the bolt to ignite primers no matter how deep (within reason) you set them.
Finally, remington primers are the softest I'm aware of (softer than CCI and Winchester). I have a few guns that don't cotton to CCI primers. I have to let the hammer down the fun way on them 2 or 3 times before they go boom. So I use a lot of remington primers.
i'll grant you that corlokt (however you spell it) is the suck. out of my rem700 .308 from a bench, corelokt keeps 6" groups, while my handloads (sierra matchkings) are same hole.
but who knows? as was mentioned previously, stranger things have happened.
SMLE
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Since all my rifles are mil-surps I haven't shot hardly any Remington rifle ammo, but I carry Remington Golden Sabers in every handgun I own. I found an incredible deal on 165grn GS in 40 S&W and bought 800 rounds. I have gone through over half of them without the slightest problem. I haven't fired as many .38s, .357s or 45s, as I don't currently use those guns for CCW, but have yet to have any issues.
My $0.02, YMMV
My $0.02, YMMV
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