Remington Express 00 buck?

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Eh. They go bang OK, but they don't pattern particularly well out of any shotgun that I own.

The 3" 00 shells taught me to never again buy 3" shells.
 
Grab a box of them and pattern it in your gun. The Remington Managed Recoil 00 buck (8 pellets) patterns much better than the regular 9 pellet 00 buck in the guns I've tried it in.
 
I have used them. I wasnt really all that impressed. They were OK,not great.

Definitly OK for HD ranges.

Just seeing what everyone else thought of them.
 
Pattern is not consistent shot to shot, but they go bang every time and at the distance I would be using them its not much of a factor.

3" ones kill out the barrel and injure at the stock… I had this brilliant idea that they would be great for HD… 15 pellets is better than 9 right… well I shot one and came to the conclusion the extra 6 pellets aren’t worth the recoil.
 
Am I reading this right? A 67% increase in pellets from 2 2/4" to 3" shells isn't worth a little more recoil? Is recoil really that important in a HD situation? Wouldn't you want as much ordnance as you can put downrange?

And as to the 'barrel' issue, I'm guessing there's some choke at issue? I only go with cylinder bore for HD, there's no consideration for range needed.

I think the 15-pellet 00 buckshot for $.67 a shot (15-round boxes!) at WalMart is the best deal in ammo out there.
 
Am I reading this right? A 67% increase in pellets from 2 2/4" to 3" shells isn't worth a little more recoil? Is recoil really that important in a HD situation? Wouldn't you want as much ordnance as you can put downrange?
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It's not a 'little more recoil'. It's a LOT more recoil. To me - it's over-the-top amounts of recoil.

Also - the patterns of this stuff are far worse than lower-recoil ammo that deforms the pellets less...
 
They pattern better for me than the cheap buckshot (S&B, Rio Royal, etc) but not as well as the premium loads like Federal or Hornady loaded with FliteControl wads.

Sometimes being able to change chokes can help tighten patterns from less expensive buckshot loads for you- might be worth thinking about if you have a barrel that is fitted for choke tubes.

Best buy right now IMHO in a middle of the road patterning, high quality buckshot load is Fiocchi's high velocity 9 pellet plated shot 00 load at $139.95 a case of 250 rounds.

S&B from the same source is $144.95/250 rounds, Rio Royal high velocity 9 pellet 00 is $119.95/250 right now, Remington's 12B00 9 pellet load is $209.95/250, Federal Premium (w/FliteControl wads and plated pellets) 00 is $359.95/250.

Source is http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/index.php/page/1/cName/12-gauge-buckshot/sort/2a ... IMHO it's less trouble in the long run to find a load you like, that runs/patterns well in your gun (shoot it HOT first before you decide it works OK), and get it in sufficient quantity not to have to worry about ammo for a while.

JMHO, FWIW, YMMV...

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I'm not a real Remington fan, but I have no problem with the 15 pellet 00. Pattern? What are you shooting? Anything I shoot with it is going to get some pellets in it, if not I need to change over to a rifle for that distance anyway....
 
The difference of 9 pellets to 15 pellets is substantial..

The 9 pellet standard load is 1 1/8 ounces at 1400 fps

The 3" 15 pellet load is 1 7/8 ounces at about 1200 fps

So that's comparing about 492 gr of payload to an 820 gr payload.

Muzzle energy of the 9 pellet load is 2141 Ft/lb

Muzzle energy of the 15 pellet load is 2622 ft/lb

With the corresponding recoil.. well, let's just say that I've shot the 3" 15 pellet load in a light short barreled Mossberg 500.. and I can tell you that they definitely get your attention..

I prefer the 9 pellet load... and if you like you can get the managed recoil 9 pellet load (1 1/8 oz @ 1200 fps).

Each 00 buck is about an eighth of an ounce.. in the 15 pellet load you are likely to land more pellets, but each pellet has correspondingly less power (since they start out at 1200 fps as opposed to 1400) so you will not get any more range per se, but since you get more pellets, you have a greater chance of landing at least one or two over the 9 pellet load. Still even the 15 pellet load gets sparse much past about 25 yards unless you have a tight choke.
 
@100 yds- which is way beyond normal self defense or hunting range for 99.99999% of us, the 1200 would become about 875 but at that range the 15 would become much more than the 9. Not quite the same as the fast and small versus the slow and heavy because your dealing with pattern density more at that range. At closer ranges my cylinder bore doesn't show much more than 20" at 50'. I generally shoot a Mossberg 500 with a short barrel, 5 extra in the buttstock sleeve helps a little but then I'm not using those sheels for an afternoon of sporting clays either...
 
I rapid fired three rounds of 3.5" magnum 00 buck through an autoloader once.

And I mean once.

When i bought my pardner pump I bought some 3" 00 plated buck with it, and kept them loaded for HD. I bought 10, fired 5, decided that was more than enough practice and kept the other 5 in the gun for a while.

I eventually got bored and fired off the last 5, and bought remngton 2 3/4" 00 buck after that. The magnum shells arent unbearable, but the 2 3/4"s dont feel inadequate, and they certainly do kick less.
 
There is no reason for 3 shells in HD use. They are overkill for anything except hunting. Probably the only reason people try them for HD is cause they read/speculate on gun forums too much. I once saw a regular Federal 2 3/4" 00 buck that had blown a hole clear through a window frame that was at least 4" thick, across the backyard, through the fence, and some of the pellets made it to the next fence. That is going to ruin any BG's day.
 
I don't think anyone's regarding 9-pellet 12ga shells as weak, but if you get 15 just by moving to a 3" shell, it seems a good choice.
 
I've had no issues with Remington Express but neither did it impress. Generic buck is what it is.

Anyway If you want pellet count then #1 2.75" buckshot gives you 16 pellets that are almost equal in performance to 00 of same construction but without the monster recoil and losing a round because of the 3" format.
 
The express buckshot did okay for me. Not stellar, but for typical HD ranges, patterns were generally acceptable.

That said, I loaded up with Federal's TackTickle 00 buck (standard velocity,) at the earliest opportunity. That stuff is sweet.
 
That said, I loaded up with Federal's TackTickle 00 buck (standard velocity,) at the earliest opportunity. That stuff is sweet.
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Same here? The one with the Flite-Control wads right? They rock. Pattern very, very tight in my mossberg 590a1
 
Pretty good loads. My 870 with a full choke puts all the pellets in a 20" circle at 45 yards consistantly. My Stoeger 2000 will do the same with the Remington #4 buck. Never had a problem dropping a deer with it.
 
I love them and even prefer them in my Benelli M1s90

It patterns inside a 8" at 20+ yards(IDPA practice target) w/ an IC choke
 
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