Remington Factory 20 Gauge Riot Gun?

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From John Farnam's material on the Shot Show- this I hadn't heard from anywhere else. But I'm running behind this year- anyone got any more info on this?

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http://www.defense-training.com/quips/14Jan07.html
Many are curious with regard to Remington's 20ga 870 riot shotgun. The copy on display at Remington's booth has a four-shot magazine tube, plus a Remington-made, two-shot extension. So, the magazine holds a total of six rounds. Nice defensive shotgun for small-statured people!
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Now, if Federal or one of the other manufacturers would come out with a line of reduced recoil slugs and buckshot for the 20 gauge, it might be a REAL improvement for smaller shooters who need a serious HD gun.

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Before the LT wt. smaller 20 ga. frame was introduced, I had a Rem. 870 20 ga. made up for an ex wife. I had the gun tefloned in "Dead Grass" a new color for the newfangled electrostatic vacuum applied teflon of 1984. I kept the 28" Full choked barrel so she could go duck hunting and had another Barrel cut to 19" with a Winchoke installed as there were NO Rem chokes.The front sight was a soldered front brass post sighted for slugs at 30 yards:) . I kept the old smooth walnut butt stock cut to 12.5" with a good pad. It had the old style corn cob front pump. The pre Lt. WT 20 ga 870s took the 12ga extension from Remington, the win choke swell acting like a 12ga. barrel.;) The old full sized 870 20 ga. soaked up recoil real good, eh Preacherman?
Nice set up, which the ex kept, with the 30" barrel, Preacherman got the short tube:D
My present wife uses a Ithaca Ultralight Model 37 which I made up to fit her. It has a like new old style walnut smooth butt and corncob. It has a 25" DeerSlayer barrel, which I feel NO need to shorten nor add an extension. She can shoot it well, and destroys vermin on the ranch quite handily. Dave was right that a 5 3/4 pound 20 gauge pushes you around pretty bad with heavy loads like buck and slug. She can handle a few 3/4 oz light field loads quite well though, and the couple #2 buck down the end of the mag tube would only come up if she wasn't gonna feel any recoil anyway!:cool:

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=125857&highlight=Ithaca
 
I love my 870P in 12.
Big bore = punching power.

Bigga bada boom.

But that 12 is sometimes a bit jarring
to this "small statured" person.

A 20 could be nearly as effective for HD/SD,
but with less recoil.

I started with a 20 over 30 yrs ago.
In another 10, I may want another one
so that I can pass this
big bore bigga bada boom
on to others.

Reading with interest.

Nem
 
20 gauge does not always translate to less recoil. My ~7.5 pound 12 gauge Beretta AL390 feels like it has less recoil than my ~5.75 pound 20 gauge AL391. If the 20 gauge gun weighs much less than the 12, you'll feel like it recoils similarly to the 12.
 
The 20 gauge YE here is a punisher with heavy loads, including Rottweil Brenekke slugs and 3 buck loads. Adding a two round extension would help, and using a premium pad.

What's needed here is a 3/4 oz HD load of 2, 3, or 4 buck for use inside. With those, HD with a 20 would be closer to optimum.
 
20 gauge does not always translate to less recoil. My ~7.5 pound 12 gauge Beretta AL390 feels like it has less recoil than my ~5.75 pound 20 gauge AL391. If the 20 gauge gun weighs much less than the 12, you'll feel like it recoils similarly to the 12.

That's what I've found too. Same goes for over/under's.
 
My new Remington Spartan Cowboy (internal hammer 20" coach gun) is quite light, but the recoil is MUCH less than 12 gauge. Now, my gas operated, heavy and long, Winchester 1400 rivals it, but it's a lot easier on my shoulder than my Mossberg 500 even with 2 3/4" slugs! I haven't fired any 3" stuff in it, though. 3" carries a load of similar weight to 12 gauge 2 3/4". But, with 2 3/4" buck it's super light on the shoulder and with even heavy dove loads, 1 ounce of 7 1/2 in high brass 2 3/4", it's nothin'! I was a little worried about it when I bought it due to the 20 gauge NEF single barrel I'd bought my daughter some time ago. That thing kicked too hard for a kid, was a little rough on me with just light dove loads. But, the Spartan, even though it's light, is heavier than that gun was and soaks it up better I guess. I can't imagine a new 870 being any lighter a gun than the Spartan. I'm not sure what it weighs, but it feels in the 6 lb range.
 
I nearly bought one of the 20 ga. Remingtons, but I'd just bought a 12 ga. Winchester Defender a couple months before and didn't see much need for a 20 to put next to it by the door. Probably a good deal (I think it went for around $190...I bought the Winchester for $185, both were in excellent condition, the only scratches on either was very minor wear on the slide finish.
 
As I shared with Lee via phone, my experiences mirror Gordon's.

I like the 20 gauge and I like it for a Serious Shotgun! Back in the day, we did not have screw in chokes, I feel screw in chokes in some ways have been a detriment in folks learning correct basic fundamentals of shotgunning.

We took the plain barrels with fixed chokes and did phenomenal things with these shotguns - including the 20 gauge.

Early we had these barrels cut and barrel makers "re-choke" these barrels to almost Mod fixed. Exceptional patterns and groups. barrel lengths were often 21" and 23". A few we made one or two round extensions.

We tweaked the loadings, as one did back in the day ,and some of these loads were #1, #4, 00 buckshot - besides the factory #3 buckshot. HARD nickel or copper plated shot - with buffering.

I guess we did a "reduced recoil load" in todays terms, less felt recoil in buckshot, slugs and other pellet loads.

Quite a few deer were put down with these guns.

I and others get angry when we read of folks "whacking barrels" - folks have no idea of what truly quality barrels they are ruining!!

Enough meat in these barrels - to have threads cut to fit Win-chokes in 870 barrels.
Rem was not doing screw in chokes, and Win-Choke is a very well thought out choke design.

We would get a busted barrel from a duck hunter, or similar, fired with mud in the barrel and then have our "Wizards" do these tweaks.

About damn time Remington paid attention to old ways and brought this 20 bore gun out...

I doubt if Rem or anyone will come out with a 28 gauge version. *Grin*
Oh I might know something about a 28 ga pump gun with 19", 21" and 23" barrel, using #1, #3, #4, 00 buck and slugs as well...

FYI .54 caliber felled a LOT of Bison and other big game in history.Used for lots of Serious Situations in history as well.
.54 cal equates to .540 which is the 28 gauge.

We messed with the "lowly .410" as well.

Now some folks "just gotta have" the "biggest, longest, and baddest" set up for serious.
There is NO Holy Grail on any firearm or loading doing anything!

Life matters do not always work as Internet, advertising or anything else "says". Called Life.

That said-
Lee and I spoke of something, and he reminded me of something.

You do know how big a horse, a cow and Buck Deer are ...
Will you accept these are bigger and heavier than you are?

One shot, and DRT, with the 20 gauge and 28 gauge Serious Shotguns from which I shared.

2 3/4" length shells. Even some being "reduced recoil" of our own making.
Shot placement and do not tell me a Cow, Horse (needing to be put down) will not buckle and hit dirt getting hit with a 20 or 28 ga slug. Buck did not go far either.
Guns I used, no side saddle, no mag extension - bone stock - except the barrel and loading tweak.

I know these guns and loads and how they punch thru a windshield, back glass or through a door. Old vehicles, with heavy metal - not this beer can metal in cars today.

Oh...some of these guns were bone stock single shot 20 ga and 28 ga with fixed choke mod barrels too.

Never ever look down on the person with a 20 bore. Best kept secret is a gas gun 20 like a 1100, 303, or 390. Pump guns are proven as well.

When the inmates broke out of a prison, and the folks were "concerned and on alert" - not one person with a 20 bore felt under gunned in surrounding area.

Real life, not Internet, not a video game, not a magazine, Real Life. 20 bores do work for serious situations with 2 3/4" shells.

About damn time Remington woke up I say
 
I love the 20ga. I bought a Bantam model Mossberg for the kids and turns out to be a perfect gun for me. I got lucky one day at the gun show and found an 18 1/2" barrel for it and think its darn near perfect. A mag extension would be nice but don't believe it'll work with the barrel. I can live with it. :D

Sold my old Winchester 1200 after I found the Mossberg handles my pumpgun needs. All other shottys in the house are single shots.
 
While recoil with a light 20 may not be any less than with a heavier 12, the ability to shoulder and walk with a lightweight 20 in a low ready is much easier for some smaller people.

I know a few very small people who have no problem with recoil, but who just wield a lighter gun better.

As has been mentioned, the lack of 20 ga. defensive loads might be an issue, but the concept sounds great.
 
While recoil with a light 20 may not be any less than with a heavier 12, the ability to shoulder and walk with a lightweight 20 in a low ready is much easier for some smaller people.

'bsolutely. That's why there are three, whoops four (bought another last weekend) 20 ga shotguns in the safe. Walk most of the day chasing birds and dogs and that 7 1/2 pound 12 is a real millstone...
 
Just got one

I got it off a guy on gunbroker.com. I actually tried to see if Gander Mt. could order one for a cheaper price but they said they couldn't even order them yet. I guess only a few distributors are putting them out there.

I got the 20 ga. w/ the 2 round extension all black synthetic - nice looking little gun. It is 38 1/4" long and weighs 6 1/4 lbs. I just compared them w/ internet data and the 12 ga is 38 1/2" long and weighs 7 1/4 lbs.

By the way, Remington does make reduced recoil slugs in 20 ga. They also make 2 3/4" #3 buckshot loads (buffered).

P.S. If you go to Remington's site and look under tactical, you can see a 2007 brochure w/ the gun in it. I think it is something like remington.com/tactical.
 
TT

Mine does not have the pistol grip. remington.com/tactical has all the home defense/riot/tactical shotguns. click on the brochure.
 
Okay, that’s what I thought when I read your post on the other 20 GA 870 thread. The standard stock versions look nice (particularly the ‘Jakes gun’ variant), but unfortunately for me I just can’t seem to get the hang of the firing hand half-grip standard stocks require. So it has to be a pistol grip stock for me.
 
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