Bobson
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I've heard nothing but good things about it (minus the guy who didn't like a shiny muzzle). What say you? Any personal experiences I should know about? Thanks in advance.
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I bought mine when it came out. no problems with mine at all. I bought mine as a base gun to do some work to it.
I have a range report and a detailed photo's on this forum as well.
I have a range report and a detailed photo's on this forum as well.
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Bobson
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The reason I'm considering it is it's about as much money as I want to spend on any handgun, and for reasons I don't even understand, I feel that a 1911 should be the most expensive handgun I own. But maybe someone can help me understand the 1911 market a bit better, and I can justify, in my own mind at least, additional saving until I reach the Dan Wesson bracket of quality.
Let's say, for the sake of clarity, that Brand X is the cheapest, most low-end pistol there is on the market, just as a point of reference.
Now, my understanding is that even the lowest quality 1911s are far more reliable, accurate, and well-built than Brand X hahandguns (aka, the cheapest, most low-end pistols in existence).
If that's true, what exactly is your money getting you in a $1500/$2000/$2500 1911, that you arent getting from a different brand's $700 1911? Obviously some of it is brand name, which is understood, but are they really that much better? Common sense would dictate that something costing twice as much should be twice as accurate, and just as well-made. Or maybe made with twice the attention to detail, and just as accurate. What about when it costs three, four, five times as much, or even more?
I'm not knocking the custom builders out there. I understand they make outstanding products that are simply better. I just want to understand what that better is.
Let's say, for the sake of clarity, that Brand X is the cheapest, most low-end pistol there is on the market, just as a point of reference.
Now, my understanding is that even the lowest quality 1911s are far more reliable, accurate, and well-built than Brand X hahandguns (aka, the cheapest, most low-end pistols in existence).
If that's true, what exactly is your money getting you in a $1500/$2000/$2500 1911, that you arent getting from a different brand's $700 1911? Obviously some of it is brand name, which is understood, but are they really that much better? Common sense would dictate that something costing twice as much should be twice as accurate, and just as well-made. Or maybe made with twice the attention to detail, and just as accurate. What about when it costs three, four, five times as much, or even more?
I'm not knocking the custom builders out there. I understand they make outstanding products that are simply better. I just want to understand what that better is.
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Bobson
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I guess the TLDR version of that is, when considering 1911s, how does one measure quality?
In other words, what are the enormous differences that must exist between two 1911 handguns when one costs $500 (an RIA 1911, for example), and one costs $3000 (maybe a Wilson Combat model)? If you don't mind, please be specific. For example, it would be far more helpful to address quality of rifling or material used in the barrel, instead of saying, "The Wilson is more accurate."
Unless this forum has a particularly high amount of incredibly wealthy people using it daily, I would expect many of you to be well informed regarding levels of quality in 1911s, as many of you seem to have a high level of appreciation for 1911s that cost thousands of dollars. The only other option being that this forum has a lot of lazy consumers who measure quality by the amount of money paid for an item. Which I doubt, but if I'm wrong, let me know, as I am in possession of the world's highest quality, fastest, and most reliable vehicle, cleverly disguised as a 2008 VW Jetta, and want to sell it to you for "fair market value."
Please share your knowledge with me. Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it.
In other words, what are the enormous differences that must exist between two 1911 handguns when one costs $500 (an RIA 1911, for example), and one costs $3000 (maybe a Wilson Combat model)? If you don't mind, please be specific. For example, it would be far more helpful to address quality of rifling or material used in the barrel, instead of saying, "The Wilson is more accurate."
Unless this forum has a particularly high amount of incredibly wealthy people using it daily, I would expect many of you to be well informed regarding levels of quality in 1911s, as many of you seem to have a high level of appreciation for 1911s that cost thousands of dollars. The only other option being that this forum has a lot of lazy consumers who measure quality by the amount of money paid for an item. Which I doubt, but if I'm wrong, let me know, as I am in possession of the world's highest quality, fastest, and most reliable vehicle, cleverly disguised as a 2008 VW Jetta, and want to sell it to you for "fair market value."
Please share your knowledge with me. Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it.
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I love mine, it needs a couple of mags, "i knew that going in"..But just look at it, I put Sarge's fullsize grips, "elite wood". The slide to frame is as if a gunsmith sat with it and fitted it. Trigger is very much as good as I will ever need, I can double tap with it almost 1 hole. I shot it first time yesterday. By the time I had setteled in, 3 mags, or so, I was feeling the zone, and they were all touching at 30 ft, 7 yards was just too easy in a 5 man range. Where you have to just shoot with no funny stuff. although they do allow fast fire and dbl taps. The gun felt at 7 yards like the front was touching the paper, lol
50 feet was not much different, I was able to put my last 8 all in the 10 and a smile beneath with 4 more. I can't complain, it shot straight down the center, no pulling to either side.
I fired Federal ball, ran perfect in the rem mags, and Hydroshocks, both 230 grain, because that's what I carry, the HS were even more accurate than the range ammo. The worse was the winchester white box, they fell out of the magazine, The REm. I tapped it and the top 3 just fell out. Maybe the shape of the bullett as they were that snubby shape and longer than the other two.The bullett not the cartrage. As soon as I get my new mags I am sure it will fire everything. I used a 10 and 20 no name mag that the kid traded me for the ak Mags, it fired fine out of those also.
Changing grips was not an option, as the youg man who I traded an "ak" to for this, had decided t make snakeskin grips from the originals. That''s why the beautiful new grips, really a fine grip the gun does not move. I added the rubber sticky tape to the frontstrap, and it goes under the grip so it is solid.
I looked around for 6 months and decided if one of these came around, I want it. I don't want to change anything else, if I got bored I would put a skeletonized hammer and a wilson beavertail, but right now I have no need or want to do that. Get one they will have to go up in price, they shoot to well not to. I just need range time now, 500 rounds from now I'll tell you how it held together and how i did too. I see this as my bedside gun.A little too much for FL in the summer. But more fun than my plastic for sure.
50 feet was not much different, I was able to put my last 8 all in the 10 and a smile beneath with 4 more. I can't complain, it shot straight down the center, no pulling to either side.
I fired Federal ball, ran perfect in the rem mags, and Hydroshocks, both 230 grain, because that's what I carry, the HS were even more accurate than the range ammo. The worse was the winchester white box, they fell out of the magazine, The REm. I tapped it and the top 3 just fell out. Maybe the shape of the bullett as they were that snubby shape and longer than the other two.The bullett not the cartrage. As soon as I get my new mags I am sure it will fire everything. I used a 10 and 20 no name mag that the kid traded me for the ak Mags, it fired fine out of those also.
Changing grips was not an option, as the youg man who I traded an "ak" to for this, had decided t make snakeskin grips from the originals. That''s why the beautiful new grips, really a fine grip the gun does not move. I added the rubber sticky tape to the frontstrap, and it goes under the grip so it is solid.
I looked around for 6 months and decided if one of these came around, I want it. I don't want to change anything else, if I got bored I would put a skeletonized hammer and a wilson beavertail, but right now I have no need or want to do that. Get one they will have to go up in price, they shoot to well not to. I just need range time now, 500 rounds from now I'll tell you how it held together and how i did too. I see this as my bedside gun.A little too much for FL in the summer. But more fun than my plastic for sure.
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mgmorden
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Your understanding is a bit off. The 1911 design has a great (and well-earned) reputation for accuracy, and a good one can be plenty reliable, but out of the box, they're known to be a bit more picky than most other current mass-produced designs. There's a lot of hand fitting and machine work involved in the production of the 1911 design, which introduces more room for little variations that can cause some issues.
Now, most of the current manufacturer's - even the cheapos - are OK, but if you're looking for the paragon of reliability the 1911 probably isn't it. The more expenisve custom built ones will improve on that, as well as in the accuracy department - they also will usually have a smoother feel to the action, (much) better triggers, and will simply look better.
Bottom line, most of the cheapo 1911's are serviceable guns, but for 100% reliability there are better options in the price range.
NMBrian
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Mine has been 100% for over 2000 rounds.
American made, and reasonably priced.
American made, and reasonably priced.
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That's backwards. 1911's are more known for their reliability over their accuracy.
The 1911 was originally designed around 230 FMJ, especially the cheaper ones made now.
As with any semi-auto, the Achilles heel is the magazine. Buy some good ones and even the cheap 1911's will perk right along with boring 100% reliability using factory FMJ.
The 1911 was originally designed around 230 FMJ, especially the cheaper ones made now.
As with any semi-auto, the Achilles heel is the magazine. Buy some good ones and even the cheap 1911's will perk right along with boring 100% reliability using factory FMJ.
mgmorden
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That's always the "gotcha" that gets pulled out. IMHO, a handgun that won't feed HP's reliably doesn't get off with a simple "Use FMJ's". Better 1911's will use them without issue, and virtually any other modern design will eat JHP's just as easily as they'll eat FMJ.
Not saying that the 1911 is inherently a jammomatic, but as even a lot of 1911 fans admitted in anothe thread: if presented with a random 1911 with a full magazine sitting on a table next to a random Glock sitting on the same table and asked which one was less likely to jam, my money would be on the Glock every time (and I say that as someone who doesn't even own a Glock, though I have shot them).
mdThanatos
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I think the thing to remember is the specs of the model produced. The Standard GI models will resemble the original design the closest and the original design, from my understanding, was meant for fmjs. The higher priced models will have had the feed ramp polished and the barrel throat opened up to allow reliable feeding of HPs. Look at two models from the same company, in this case I am going use the Springfield GI and the Mil-Spec. Both "low end" models from the same company but the Mil-Spec has had the above changes made, while the GI hasn't.
Depending on the ammo and the model of the 1911 it can be more likely to jam than a modern design, i.e. glock or xd.
To the OP, I have heard of some issues with the R1, not many mind you so that can be good, but you get the warranty and platinum service for the first year you own it.
I haven't had a chance to shoot one but the one I held felt nice, the only thing I would personally have to change would be an extended thumb safety.
Depending on the ammo and the model of the 1911 it can be more likely to jam than a modern design, i.e. glock or xd.
To the OP, I have heard of some issues with the R1, not many mind you so that can be good, but you get the warranty and platinum service for the first year you own it.
I haven't had a chance to shoot one but the one I held felt nice, the only thing I would personally have to change would be an extended thumb safety.
NMBrian
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Just glossing over some posts in here,
just a heads up, the R1 feeds HP's without issue.
just a heads up, the R1 feeds HP's without issue.
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