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Picking one rifle, chambered in 30-06, money not an issue between the choice; which rifle would you pick, what model, and why?
Remington, savage, winchester?
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It's hunting priority
In addition to my replies on the other threads:
Never owned a savage, but I own both Winchester and Remington. Both are as good as the other. You pick.
Some favor Winchester for controlled feed, which is very handy in space where it's weightless. Or when you're shooting upside down.
Never owned a savage, but I own both Winchester and Remington. Both are as good as the other. You pick.
Some favor Winchester for controlled feed, which is very handy in space where it's weightless. Or when you're shooting upside down.
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Savage, Axis XP.
Reasons:
Good luck.
Reasons:
- Price - put the money you saved towards a better scope than you would have otherwise bought
- Good experience with other recent Savage guns
- Disappointing experience with Remington products
- Poor experience with Winchester products.
Good luck.
Orcon
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I would opt for the Savage 112 BVSS or Remington Sendero. Both are generally quite accurate but the Savage wins on trigger and price.
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I have owned a Savage 116 in .30-06 and currently own Win M70 Extreme Weathers in both .30-06 and 7mm RM. I own a couple of Rems in .308 Win that I have customized as precision rifles and a Ruler 77 RSI in .308 Win. For hunting, I like controlled round feed though I have never has a FTL or FTE with either the Savage or Rems. I particularly like the 3-position safety of the Win and Ruger rifles. I have also found the Rems and the Savage (with both AccuTrigger and AccuStock) to be most accurate but the difference between them and my Wins to be no more than 1/4 MOA within my shooting range (<350 yards).
Net, net, if I ever add another hunting rifle, it will almost certainly be a Win M70 with a Ruger 77 as a close second.; if I ever build another precision rifle, it will almost certainly be a Rem 700 or 40x.
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Net, net, if I ever add another hunting rifle, it will almost certainly be a Win M70 with a Ruger 77 as a close second.; if I ever build another precision rifle, it will almost certainly be a Rem 700 or 40x.
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Winchester, no question. Best safety of the three, best trigger, controlled round feed, non-spring ejector, square bottom action (less stock movement during firing, especially for big calibers), factory bedding often times needs no further work. Much better action feel than the Savage. Good case head failure protection. One piece bolt. Integral recoil lug. Readily available in nicer cosmetics than the other two as well.
243winxb
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Remington 700, 3 rings of steel, for safety.
Kingcreek
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Tikka?
If it has to be one of the 3, Winchester.
If it has to be one of the 3, Winchester.
entropy
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If money's not an issue, Kimber 84.
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There does seem to be an accuracy issue there though - some of the rifles they sell are nice, others don't shoot well.
Orcon
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If you're gonna spend that kind of money, why not go with a Cooper?
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Might not want to spend that kind of money for a push feed...
Plus Cooper's politics are repulsive. I would not give them a cent if they made undeniably the best rifles in the world.
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You can get Montana's in the $1,000 - $1,200 range, thats not even in the same ballpark as Cooper's. Hunters are even cheaper at $700-ish. Plus, Cooper's have a great reputation for accuracy, but they're heavier and a 700 type safety that doesn't lock the bolt is a no go for some folks.
As for the OP:
Winchester
Savage
Remington
In that order
Why did you spam 4 threads on basically the same question?
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theboyscout
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What wa your
- Disappointing experience with Remington products
- Poor experience with Winchester products.
First off let me say I don't believe you could go wrong with any three of those manufacturers (Winny, Remmy or Savage). Remington has been doing alot as of late to rebuild their reputation. I have never had a problem with my Winchester, but it is over thirty years old. Lastly, Savages seem to be the workhorse bolt action of the blue collar world. The 700 BDL used to be the pinnacle of rifles. Winchester kinda faded in popularity after 64 and bounced back some years later. Point being take people's internet problem posts with a grain of salt. Any those three are probably going to be accurate, handy and dependable for most people and most situations.
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CptnAwesome
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What Llama Bob said!!!
Orcon
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Dan Cooper maybe, but they bounced him faster than a hot check at a payday loan shop.
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No, they hid him. Big difference.
Glockula
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I would go for a model 70 Winchester, I own all 3. The model 70 is just a better all around rifle and mine drives tacks. Savage would be a distant second. I am not a fan of the 2 position safety on the 700. I have a 700 bdl in 3006. She shoots very well with SGK 165's but the safety is a hunting deal breaker.
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Keep it simple, accurate & reliable...Rem 700
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bearman49709
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I've owned all three and if I had to pick one of these it would be the Winchester.
I now prefer the Browning X-bolt.
I now prefer the Browning X-bolt.
Ive never owned a Winchester, and the feature that kills them for me is pretty much the feature everyone likes, the wing safety.
The ones ive handled have all been pretty nice, even the ones from the "garbage" years, and i keep wanting to get a .264 Winchester just cause it SEEMS correct to me.
Remingtons 700s have some production shortcuts that I really am not a fan of, The extractors while functional bother me, ive had to replace 2. Also the soldered on bolt handle worried me for a bit, but ive never had an issue, ive also never heard of one being broken off by anyone i know locally.
The bolt stop in the trigger guard bugs me, not the location itself, but the fact it means theres a rather long connection arm thingy from the bottom of the trigger group to the bottom of the receiver.
On one gun i own, this got a little bent while i had it on my bench or when returning the action to the stock, and I didnt notice. Put the bolt back in and dropped the firing pin on an empty chamber, the bolt stop got stuck down and stayed down thru the whole thing (still does from time to time, i really need to go fix that), next time opened the gun to load it, the bolt fell out into the dirt.
I know folks dislike the two position safety because it doesnt lock the bolt, but Ive never had an issue with it. Ive also never had an issue with any of my triggers, ive got 2 from the 90s, and 1 with the newer Xmark Pro that had the recall for goop.
I never even knew there was an issue with the Xmark. I took it apart and cleaned it as soon as i got the gun just because i wanted to see what they changed in the trigger design. The thing made sense so i put it all back together sans one spring, adjusted, and away I went.
The newest remingtons ive handled at the local stores, i would put on par with anything ive seen from the "good old days" . There ARE some remington 700s that have QC issues, my gun from 2010 would fall into that category, misaligned mount holes (one of my late 90s had them as well, but our local smith just modified a blank base to compensate), and a badly floating lug.
Ive owned a few savages now, I still have one. Its hard to come up with anything to say about them thats "bad".
Worst i can say is they are simply a sum of their parts. Its very obvious that these guns are ment to be sourced from a pile and assembled quickly, easily, and accurately. This lends them a less finished look, where as the other guns with more complex machined parts have a more finished look.
It also means that they are amazingly consistent, accurate, and usually very reliable. They are also much easier for a garage gunsmith to modify than a m70 or r700, your also way less likely to screw up when tinkering with the savage because of the way they are designed to be put together.
One thing to note, savages use the magazine box its self (as opposed to rails in the reciever) to control the cartridge feeding. If your having issues with a savage jamming, a new box will likely fix the issue.
Personally, all three guns are down my list at this point.
In the winchester and Remingtons price range, Id chose a Kimber, Bergara, or Browning Xbolt/Abolt2 (dont like the looks of the new AB3s)
The savages are usually slightly cheaper, but not enough that I wont save a little more, or go cheaper still to something like a Ruger American, or Howa 1500. If im looking for an action to do a build on tho, ill be considering savage before most anything else, just because of how easy they are to work with.
Having said all that, really at this point in time, youll be hard pressed to buy a BAD rifle. Just make sure you look over what ever you chose carefully before you drop the cash on it.
I would suggest playing with all of the different guns you can, see how each feels. Play with as many of the different features folks here talk about, something that one of us likes may not float your boat. Something we HATE, might be a ho hum, or you may even like.
End of the day were not going to be the guys pulling the trigger, and feeling the recoil of your purchase. Make sure what you get makes YOU happy.
The ones ive handled have all been pretty nice, even the ones from the "garbage" years, and i keep wanting to get a .264 Winchester just cause it SEEMS correct to me.
Remingtons 700s have some production shortcuts that I really am not a fan of, The extractors while functional bother me, ive had to replace 2. Also the soldered on bolt handle worried me for a bit, but ive never had an issue, ive also never heard of one being broken off by anyone i know locally.
The bolt stop in the trigger guard bugs me, not the location itself, but the fact it means theres a rather long connection arm thingy from the bottom of the trigger group to the bottom of the receiver.
On one gun i own, this got a little bent while i had it on my bench or when returning the action to the stock, and I didnt notice. Put the bolt back in and dropped the firing pin on an empty chamber, the bolt stop got stuck down and stayed down thru the whole thing (still does from time to time, i really need to go fix that), next time opened the gun to load it, the bolt fell out into the dirt.
I know folks dislike the two position safety because it doesnt lock the bolt, but Ive never had an issue with it. Ive also never had an issue with any of my triggers, ive got 2 from the 90s, and 1 with the newer Xmark Pro that had the recall for goop.
I never even knew there was an issue with the Xmark. I took it apart and cleaned it as soon as i got the gun just because i wanted to see what they changed in the trigger design. The thing made sense so i put it all back together sans one spring, adjusted, and away I went.
The newest remingtons ive handled at the local stores, i would put on par with anything ive seen from the "good old days" . There ARE some remington 700s that have QC issues, my gun from 2010 would fall into that category, misaligned mount holes (one of my late 90s had them as well, but our local smith just modified a blank base to compensate), and a badly floating lug.
Ive owned a few savages now, I still have one. Its hard to come up with anything to say about them thats "bad".
Worst i can say is they are simply a sum of their parts. Its very obvious that these guns are ment to be sourced from a pile and assembled quickly, easily, and accurately. This lends them a less finished look, where as the other guns with more complex machined parts have a more finished look.
It also means that they are amazingly consistent, accurate, and usually very reliable. They are also much easier for a garage gunsmith to modify than a m70 or r700, your also way less likely to screw up when tinkering with the savage because of the way they are designed to be put together.
One thing to note, savages use the magazine box its self (as opposed to rails in the reciever) to control the cartridge feeding. If your having issues with a savage jamming, a new box will likely fix the issue.
Personally, all three guns are down my list at this point.
In the winchester and Remingtons price range, Id chose a Kimber, Bergara, or Browning Xbolt/Abolt2 (dont like the looks of the new AB3s)
The savages are usually slightly cheaper, but not enough that I wont save a little more, or go cheaper still to something like a Ruger American, or Howa 1500. If im looking for an action to do a build on tho, ill be considering savage before most anything else, just because of how easy they are to work with.
Having said all that, really at this point in time, youll be hard pressed to buy a BAD rifle. Just make sure you look over what ever you chose carefully before you drop the cash on it.
I would suggest playing with all of the different guns you can, see how each feels. Play with as many of the different features folks here talk about, something that one of us likes may not float your boat. Something we HATE, might be a ho hum, or you may even like.
End of the day were not going to be the guys pulling the trigger, and feeling the recoil of your purchase. Make sure what you get makes YOU happy.
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