I was doing some web surfing today and came across a few recently released shotguns that I had not heard of before. The first was the Armscor (Rock Island Armory) VRB-100 12g semi auto bullpup for under $600. I always thought the Tavor TS12 looked interesting but kind of bulky not to mention expensive. The VRB-100 looks much more streamlined and has 5, 9 and 19 round available magazines. That is some serious street sweeping capability! The biggest complaint appears to be a very heavy trigger which probably isn't too bad of a thing in a defence weapon. Some reviewers are reporting FTF's with really light target loads before the scatter gun has been broken in... but excellent reliability with full power loads even during the break in period. RIA even supplies an extra piston for use with 3" magnum shells. While investigating the VRB-100 I stumbled over the Remmington TAC-13. 26.5" long, 5+1, 13" barrel and the reviewers are claiming greatly reduced recoil compared to the Shockwave or TAC-14 pumps due to the double piston gas system that not only reduces felt recoil but seems to make for and incrediably reliable autoloader shotgun. 6 rounds put the TAC-13 into revolver round count teritory but with much quicker top offs. To me that Picatinny on the side is just begging for a laser to assist in some serious hip level accuracy. One review explained how the gas system compensates for 3" shells... so I guess the TAC-13 can also handle 3" shells? The only complaints I could find about the TAC-13 is the price. I don't think I am ready to change from my trusty XD mod 2 compact in .45acp to a shotgun for home defense... these new shotguns do defintiely intrigue me though! One of my biggest complaints about pumps is my tendancy to short stroke them in the heat of the moment (when the covey of doves are flying overhead). For me I feel a good semi is more reliable than a pump. I was kind of surprised that I haven't come across any threads on either of these shotguns yet... maybe I just missed them?