Rep. Moran to Introduce Legislation to Ban 50 Caliber Sniper Rifles

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Lawmaker Moves To Ban 'Sniper Rifles'

Monday May 03, 2004 1:03pm
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0504/144117.html

Washington (AP) - They're high-powered guns that can down an airplane from up to a mile away. And a northern Virginia lawmaker wants to make sure they don't fall into the wrong hands.

Rep. Jim Moran, D-Va., said Monday he is introducing legislation that would ban the commercial sale of .50-caliber rifles. Backers of the bill say the weapons are easily attainable and less regulated than common handguns.

Speaking near train tracks within view of the U.S. Capitol dome, Moran said terrorists could fire the gun on a railcar carrying hazardous cargo through the heart of the nation's capital.

The rifles can also pierce armor and destroy a low-flying passenger plane. The U.S. Army classifies them for attacking tanks and other heavy-armor targets.

"These are weapons of war" that could cause a "massive catastrophe," Moran said, pointing to one of the guns and several rounds displayed on a table.

The legislation would exempt military and law enforcement use.

Moran said al-Qaida (website - news) is known to have purchased 25 of the rifles. Tom Diaz, an analyst at the Violence Policy Center in Washington, estimates there are thousands in circulation. The guns have turned up in arms caches of militia groups and drug dealers in the U.S.

Diaz's group says .50-caliber rifles have been banned in Los Angeles. Contra Costa County in California and the New York State Assembly have also voted to ban them, says the nonprofit organization.

Moran read from an advertisement for Barrett Firearms that he said touts a $10 round of .50-caliber ammunition as capable of bringing down an aircraft. He also questioned whether the guns were practical for hunting.

"What are you going to have left when you shoot a deer with this thing?" Moran asked.

Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (website - news - bio) , D-D.C., said .50-caliber rifles are not covered by the assault weapons ban that Congress is now considering extending.

She and Rep. John Conyers, Jr., D-Mich., are co-sponsoring the legislation.
 
Moran read from an advertisement for Barrett Firearms that he said touts a $10 round of .50-caliber ammunition as capable of bringing down an aircraft.

Anybody ever seen such claims? I don't see it on their website.

And why is our military not using them to take down aircraft then? Is the M2 even used for anti-aircraft use?

I need to brush up on my physics -- I don't even know how high a .50 round could go straight up in the air. It can't be more than a mile I would think. Great, so you can shoot down Cessna's loaded with low-jumping sky divers. Woooo... national threat.
 
"Tom Diaz, an analyst at the Violence Policy Center in Washington,..."

You just gotta love that description. Wayne LaPierre is always described as an NRA lobbyist. The rest of us who show up at hearings or floor votes are always described as either rabble or "a handful of gun enthusiasts who oppose the measure."
 
Moran makes my bile rise. He's the guy that "busted" a little kid for pointing a toy gun at him a while back. He's the worst sort of liberal scum--angry, know-it-all, and completely anti-self-defense. Pray that he's tossed out this fall.

TC
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Here is a chance to remove Moran

Moran is being opposed in the Democratic primary in Virginia by Andy Rosenberg. The Democratic primary election will take place June 8th.

Rosenberg's stance on guns is conspiculously absent from his website; but if nothing else he seems a lot less rabid on the subject than Moran.

Effectively, Virginia voters in Moran's district will get two chances to remove him from office - the Democratic primary on June 8th and the actual election.
 
Rosenberg's stance on guns is conspiculously absent from his website; but if nothing else he seems a lot less rabid on the subject than Moran.

This can be a real trojan horse and it is exactly how we got Bill Lockyer the rabid gun grabbing Attorney General here in Calif. He came accross as reasonable but tough on real crime, said nothing about firearms legislation and enforcement. He suckered us in and has been banning/grabbing guns since.
:uhoh:
 
Yeah, let's start banning anything that might be used for terrorism. Small planes, the internet, and fertilizers are a good start. :rolleyes:
 
Do they realize that some FMJ loads for a .30-06 or .300winmag will pierce armor as well?
Do they realize that a .22lr CAN travel up to one mile?
Do they realize how stupid they sound?
Do any of the general public realize how stupid they sound?
Do they know that gun laws are not need based?

Yes, I am definitely :fire: right now!!!
 
The rifles can also pierce armor and destroy a low-flying passenger plane.
I would like to see someone try and hit a low-flying passenger plane with a 30-40 pound .50 BMG "sniper rifle". How stupid. Also, won't most armor piercing ammo pierce armor? Fools.

I think the idea that we should require these morons to go out and actually do what they say is possible is a good one. Give a .50 BMG to a anti-gunner and ask them to hit something at one mile with it. Why doesn't someone challenge them to it? Anyone have a .50 BMG and want to write to these idiots and invite them to come put their money where their mouth is? If I had a .50 BMG I would.
 
They're high-powered guns that can down an airplane from up to a mile away.
This is the kind of bull that everyday folks are fed about firearms. :banghead: :fire:

Can anybody actually show a documented case of a semi-auto .50 BMG being used to down a flying airplane? Of course not. Does that stop these kind of legislators? Well, why let facts muddle up the issue? :rolleyes:
 
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heres a guy having a hard time dealing with wooden aircraft with a 50bmg
 
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Oh Dear!!!

>>Del. Eleanor Holmes Norton (website - news - bio) , D-D.C., said .50-caliber rifles are not covered by the assault weapons ban that Congress is now considering extending. <<

Oh crap! We better act now. What else can we ban next? How about guns with barrels that are too long? Too short? Guns with mounts for a scope? Guns that are too heavy? Too light? Guns with slings? Without slings? Everything that's not black-powder and hand-loaded? Oh wait, those things shoot HUGE bullets, they must be too dangerous for us stupid citizens to use.....
 
Moran said al-Qaida (website - news) is known to have purchased 25 of the rifles.

It seems that during the Soviet invasion, our government purchased some to the rifles, and gave them to the Afghan resistance. Which eventually turned into the Taliban, which was working hand in glove with al Quaeda. So, somebody bought the rifles, and they DID get into the hands of people who were eventually connected to al Quaeda. And that, so far as I know, is the basis of the claim that al Quaeda bought Barrett .50 cals.
 
I second the challenge that El Rojo proposed. Tell the blowhards to prove it. Put up or shut up.

Mr. Tuttle, that is the funniest thing I have seen all day! Thanks. I needed that.
 
I read an article about this linked from WND that coined a new catch phrase - "antiarmor weapons." Can't wait till that one starts popping up on tv all the time :rolleyes:
 
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