Reseating oal

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I have a little problem and need a little help.I have some Remington 230gr jhp 45.acp from wally world and the oal is to long for my magzines.I do reload with a Hornady LNL ap, I was wondering if you guys think it is alright to just reseat to the oal that I need and re crimp any help would be great. Tony

starting oal. is 1.250

need 1.230
 
Tony -
I assume you can't return ammo?

Seeing as how the ammo in question is hollow point, I assume they are loaded fairly hot for self defense purposes. Obviously, reducing the OAL is going to tend to raise the chamber pressure. If these were middle-range target loads, then I'd say OK no problem. But with ammo that's already probably high-end, you do indeed have a quandary.

You need someone with insights in the Remington factory load. You may have to call Remington.
 
Thank you if it helps they are a bulk 100 round white and green box guess,I guess I could always pull the bullet and reload with powder (231) and make them what I need.
 
Seating a bullet deeper in a case with a crimp is the beginning of your problems, the mouth of the case is locked into the bullet, any attempt to seat the bullet will cause the case to squat/expand below the crimp because seating dies do hat have case support, again do not do as I do, I have 2 45 ACPs that like new store bought, factory ammo, I crimp with a full length sizer die to make the 2 pistols think they are getting over the counter, new, factory loaded ammo.

Dillon says there is a conflict when seating and crimping at the same die, they did not change my mind, I did not start over with another set of dies for the Dillon 550B, I do agree when the mouth of the case is turned into the bullet while the bullet is being seated squats the case and decreases bullet hold.

Next? Pull the bullets, start over, as was suggested moving the bullet deeper into the case can be some scary stuff.

F. Guffey

F. Guffey
 
rfwobbly said:
Tony -
I assume you can't return ammo?
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I believe it's against Federal law....at least that's what the sign in my LGS says.


I think you could push it the .020 you need, and doubt you would need to recrimp. The remmies are not loaded that hot. I would try a couple and see how they shoot.
 
Very stange indeed.
1.275" is the SAAMI MAX COL and any ammo shorter then that should fit in any .45 ACP magazine.

You don't have a .45 GAP pistol do you? :D

What kind of gun are we talking about.

rc
 
It is a Para double stack 10rd compact,I loaded 10 at 1.230 and can fit all 10 in and feeds just fine at 1.250 I can only fit 5 or 6 then the round gets stuck in the mag.and cant fit any more in and wont feed either
 
Living On The Edge

Having lived a long and full life,:banghead: if I had this problem I'd try a reseating few. If they looked OK I would then shoot them. Check fired cases for any abnormalities and if none are noted, I'd do the rest. .020" ain't that much.
 
"I'd try a reseating ... .020" ain't that much."

Roger that. And, unlike the tiny and touchy little 9mm stuff that's so popular these days, the man-sized .45 ACP ammo won't even notice that small change.
 
Double wide short stack

Again, seating the bullet is a bad ideal, after seating the bullet it could fit the mag but will not chamber if there is just a hint of a crimp, moving the bullet down will also shorten the case, if the case shortens it bulges, if the case bulges before chambering will it chamber and if the bullet is seated an additional .020 thousands will the case head spacing on the rim be a problem, or is this a situation that does not require 4 thoughts at the same time?

Shoot the rounds like the mag was a double wide short stack.

Then reload with the understanding the mag limits maximum COL (case overall length)

F. Guffey
 
"Again, seating the bullet is a bad ideal,..."

Tony, I doubt that. But, it would be easy enough to set a few back and try it. If it's a problem or a solution, you would soon know.
 
rcmodel:
Very stange indeed.
1.275" is the SAAMI MAX COL and any ammo shorter then that should fit in any .45 ACP magazine.
Walkalong:
Strange that factory ammo won't fit the mag.
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tony433, I would not modify factory ammunition by seating the bullet deeper as it will increase chamber pressure.

Are you sure you have the right magazine? Sounds like you may have a double stack 40S&W Para mag. As 243winxb posted, I recommend you contact Para (704) 930-7600.
 
Thanks for all your replies, I have checked my reloading manuals Hornady has the COL listed at 1.230 my Lee has a min of 1.190.It is true that I dont know the powder Remington uses in their rounds, so it looks like I will be spending some time pulling bullets and loading them to what my gun likes with the powder and COL that my manuals have listed.I don't think that .020 is to much to reseat to cause any problems but i'm not going to take a chance. Again guys thanks for all your input....Tony
 
There is seat first then crimp and that is it, except on the Internet, on the Internet there is seat, crimp and if it don't fit, FORCE IT.! ?

Tony, you are doing the correct thing, in reloading there are no 'do overs' no 'oopsies' except on the Internet.

When seating a bullet without crimp and I am mindlessly seating the bullet for COL I seat, check and seat again, that is when I am mindlessly seating bullets without a crimp. But when thinking about what I am doing I use a depth gage or the dial caliper, then verify by measuring COL.

Again Lyman/Dillon agree, crimping requires skill, Lyman suggest crimping can do more harm than good (search the forms: After loading my rounds they will not chamber?)
Dillon developed their system after years of research, they decided to build their seater dies with out crimping capabilities, they use a separate die for crimping because of the conflict, the bullet is moving down when seated, while seating the bullet the crimp is applied, once the crimp grabs the bullet as the bullet moves down the case has no choice but to bulge or squat, that causes two bad problems,, the effectiveness of the crimp is compromised and the case increases in diameter below the crimp.

F. Guffey
 
Seat then crimp and if it does not fit? Force it?

Sorry about that

F. Guffey
 
"k4sw nailed it..."

True. This stuff ain't too complex unless we choose to make it so. But...
 
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