Reselling Ammunition

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Yep, a business must pay taxes (I would bet he isn't). Of course, many states have a law that you must remit sales tax to the state for any online purchases you make that we're not taxed (e.g. you bought something from Sierra Trading Post and they didn't charge you sales tax). I would guess the tax evasion rate for this tax to be rather high.
 
ObsidianOne said:
Obviously it's unethical and unmoral, but is this legal?
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It is in Kalifornistan. My local gun board even has a separate "Ammo & Reloading" WTS board.

"Unethical & unmoral?" Meh... I dunno. Don't wanna pay the price, don't buy it. Pretty sure a lot of ranges are snapping up the Wallyworld ammo & doing the same thing. Pretty sure Big 5 was doing it as well during the last Great Ammo Drought.
 
sleepyone said:
ObsidianOne:

Who are you to determine how much ammo he needs? A guy named Marx went down that road one time and it did not work out so well for hundreds of millions of people over a period of almost a century. It's a slippery slope when you become the judge on who needs how much of anything.

The complete paragraph containing Marx's statement of the creed in the 'Critique of the Gotha Program' is as follows:
In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Don't go there. Now you have become just like the people telling us which guns we need and how many rounds we need to be able to carry in them.
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I'm sorry, did you just compare me to Karl Marx? I think that's a bit out of line and unnecessary.

Obviously he doesn't need it because he's willing to buy it and immediately turn around and sell it.
And now you compare me to gungrabbers?
Sir, I'd like to offer you a stool to get down off your highhorse (remember, this is The High Road, not The High Horse) and join us in conversation, as you're missing the target.

This is a discussion about someone profiteering off of people who merely want to shoot their ARs and other .223 fed weapons, whereas this individual feels the need to clear the shelves and resell at a higher profit, purposely, because he knows that nobody else can buy it in store. I live in a small community.

I feel that there is a distinct difference between buying direct from manufacturers to sell a product in retail, but adding a third party in the mix and we have an immoral individual.
 
You can feel that way. Your opinion is not wrong - it's your opinion. Many others opinions aren't the same as yours. Theirs aren't wrong either. There is no cogent argument you can make that renders this buying/selling pattern immoral. If a guy wants to pay way, way, way too much for something, why do you care?
 
obsidionone said:
let's not deviatetoofar off topic guys. My original post was about the legality of reselling said ammo, but now I suppose that since it was established that it is legal. Why do you feel one way or the other on the morality of it? My opinion is that a lot of you who think its just will be singing a different tune when your stocks dry up and Joe buys a box of 223 for $20 from Bob, then turns around and sells that box for $30 to John and John sells it to you for $50. But its a free market right? And I also suppose that it doesn't offend you that stores will mark up far above MSRP and do soin unison to inflate the price of a product, while your wages stay the same. Isn't economics fun?!
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As far as stocks, I spent ten years stocking. If someone else didn't well tough tiddles. This was not an unforseen event....its like people living in coastal water areas and NOT keeping flashlights and plywood and bottled water. But every hurricane season the press shows lines at stores and stripped shelves and interviews some poor sod hwo has nothing and you gotta wonder why???
What difference does it make if someone just wants to shoot? Market prices are driven by.demand. value of an item is what buyer and seller agree on. If one was too naive not to see this coming- as it does cycle after cycle- you are screwed and I don't feel the least bit sorry for you.

As far as karl marx goes, if the shoe fits, beat it on the podium nikita.

Always amazes me how people think that somehow the gov is bad but we need price controls.
 
Its legal if you get a small business and a sales tax license and declare the income. My guess is 99% of the scalpers are illegal.
 
So I guess all of you who thinks it's OK for someone to buy up all the .223, 7.62x39 and .22 ammo at Wal-Mart then sell it for 3 times what they paid because they created a shortage in the local market will not bitch next time gasoline prices go up by $.20-.50 per gallon when the next hurricane or snow storm creates a shortage in the local market? :confused:
 
@ soonerfan:That's how the market rolls. Fuel prices are quite volatile compared to ammo. I don't see 10%+ price changes day to day with ammo. If it matters, get to WalMart before the scalpers and buy them out. Or don't pay the triple inflated price for ammo.

To re-iterate: It's always amazing to me that a group of firearms enthusiasts can become such total socialists when the subject of price comes up.

I'll tell you what- I will sell anyone who wants it my entire stock of 7.62x51 ammo- South African, Portuguese, all battlepacked- for the exact same price that I paid for it years ago.

Only catch is I expect payment in pre-'64 US silver dollars, halves, quarters or dimes- and I am accepting them at face value. Anything other than face value would be scalping and price gouging, right?

Let me know how many takers there are...
 
No thanks. I'm not bribing the gun counter guy at WM to let me know when shipments come in so I can run down there in order to screw my neighbors for a few bucks.

"I'll tell you what- I will sell anyone who wants it my entire stock of 7.62x51 ammo- South African, Portuguese, all battlepacked- for the exact same price that I paid for it years ago. Only catch is I expect payment in pre-'64 US silver dollars, halves, quarters or dimes- and I am accepting them at face value. Anything other than face value would be scalping and price gouging, right?" If you would really take advantage of someone like that then I really do feel sorry for you. Hopefully that's not the case.

What idiots we were a few years ago for selling hay to Oklahoma ranchers at local market prices here ($45/bale) instead of inflated prices ($70/bale) due to profiteers taking advantage due to drought in Texas and Oklahoma. I guess we were just raised differently here in the socialist state of Arkansas is all.
 
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I don't know. I guess it does not seem like capitalism if you go in and buy all of the stock so that people in the area have to buy ammo from you. Isn't that at least similar to creating a monopoly?
 
The individual while engaging in legal activity is an immoral, unethical huge POS. Capitalism relies on COMPETITION in order to function as intended. This is, with a few exceptions, a self correcting system. When an individual hordes scarce supplies only in order to turn a profit he's a F.... wad. I hope someone rips him off for everything....
 
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ObsidianOne:

Who are you to determine how much ammo he needs? A guy named Marx went down that road one time and it did not work out so well for hundreds of millions of people over a period of almost a century. It's a slippery slope when you become the judge on who needs how much of anything.

The complete paragraph containing Marx's statement of the creed in the 'Critique of the Gotha Program' is as follows:
In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs

Don't go there. Now you have become just like the people telling us which guns we need and how many rounds we need to be able to carry in them.

I'm sorry, did you just compare me to Karl Marx? I think that's a bit out of line and unnecessary.

Obviously he doesn't need it because he's willing to buy it and immediately turn around and sell it.
And now you compare me to gungrabbers?
Sir, I'd like to offer you a stool to get down off your highhorse (remember, this is The High Road, not The High Horse) and join us in conversation, as you're missing the target.

This is a discussion about someone profiteering off of people who merely want to shoot their ARs and other .223 fed weapons, whereas this individual feels the need to clear the shelves and resell at a higher profit, purposely, because he knows that nobody else can buy it in store. I live in a small community.

I feel that there is a distinct difference between buying direct from manufacturers to sell a product in retail, but adding a third party in the mix and we have an immoral individual.
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ObsidianOne, not attacking you personally and not trying to sound morally superior to anyone. But when you complain about this guy buying all the ammo up so he can resell it, you are really saying he should only be allowed to buy a certain amount of ammo. But who is to say how much he really needs, deserves or has a right to purchase? I can't say. You can't say. I'm not willing to set a limit on how much of anything an individual can buy as long as they buy and resell it legally. That is why I used the quote from Karl Marx. He said you only get what you need; nothing more. And he decided, along with his goons, what everyone needed in EVERY area of their lives. Well, now we hear that one of Biden's 19 recommendations to the President may include ammo sales restrictions in some fashion, thereby determining our need for us, and possibly include background checks just to buy ammo. I stand by my quote of Karl Marx. His spirit is alive and well within certain circles of our government and left-leaning thinkers.
 
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@ soonerfan: no you weren't idiots to sell your hay below market value. You were doing it to help someone truly in need...it was a real life or death situation for the herds.

If it came a time when we truly needed ammo to the same degree I believe ammo will be available in much the same way.

Right now its panic buying not calamity.


Now if the situatuon were an enemy at the gates and people are hoarding...that's a totally different scenario.
 
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