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Residents carrying weapons on bike patrols (ct)

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  1. nate392

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    Well it's about time someone stood up to crime here, good for them.

    http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.... 590581&rfi=6
    Residents carrying weapons on patrols (CT)Residents carrying weapons on patrols
    William Kaempffer, Register Staff
    06/12/2007
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    -NEW HAVEN — Tired of what they describe as lip service and hollow promises from the city and Police Department, members of an Orthodox Jewish community and other activists from the Edgewood neighborhood started armed patrols of their own streets Monday night.


    "We're not vigilantes. We're not going out looking for trouble. We have to protect what's ours," said Gary Lynes, of Irving Street, who has a pistol permit and will carry his weapon on patrol. So will Rabbi Dov Greer and his brother, Eliezer, both sons of prominent developer Rabbi Daniel Greer.




    "It's a very reluctant step. It's an unfortunate step, but we have appealed and appealed and appealed. We have met and met and met," said Rabbi Daniel Greer, who runs the Gan School at 765 Elm St. and nonprofits that in the last two decades have rehabilitated about 40 houses in the area.

    It was clear Monday the armed citizen patrols were designed to send an unmistakable message of frustration to City Hall and the mayor. The Greers have appealed to police Chief Francisco Ortiz Jr. for years for increased patrols and walking beats. Every mugging or robbery, Eliezer Greer said, generates a few calls from the city and a cosmetic, and short-lived, increase in police presence.

    "Meeting after meeting with the chief and the mayor have accomplished nothing," said Hank Campbell, a Democratic co-chairman for the 24th Ward. "So if you have to bear arms, the Constitution gives us this right. We have to protect what's ours."

    Daniel Greer called for Ortiz's ouster, saying he is the Donald Rumsfeld of Mayor John DeStefano Jr.'s administration.

    "It's clear the man is not competent," said the elder Greer. "He's a very sweet guy. ... I'd like to have drinks with him. He just can't run a department."

    It was an attack Sunday on Dov Greer outside his Elm Street home that triggered the call to action. The younger man wasn't seriously hurt, but the episode appeared to be the tipping point for the Greers.

    Through his spokeswoman, DeStefano expressed regret over the attack and said the incident prompted the department to review deployments for that neighborhood. Cops were walking beats at the time of Sunday's incident and Dov Greer chatted with two beat officers not long before the attack, the mayor's office said. The Greers' solution, however, could have disastrous consequences.

    "Individuals who carry weapons with the intent of enforcing what they find to be appropriate or inappropriate behavior in their neighborhood is a recipe for disaster," DeStefano said.

    He also reaffirmed his "complete confidence" in Ortiz, his command staff, the district manager for the neighborhood and the department as a whole.
     
  2. Kentak

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    Good for them. But, also effective, is keeping up the political pressure on the police and city admin. And, perhaps they have or will be looking for media sympathizers to keep the failures of the city in the public eye. It's the kind of sunshine incompetent politicos and other cock-a-roaches hate.

    K
     
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    This is a great story. I hope things work out well for the community. However, when the gov says things like this

    We have little hope for our future. I have been studying criminal justice matters, and specifically police matters for a year or so now. It is quite evident that even increased police presence DOES NOT deter criminals. A few studies, and one long term study was done on this to prove empiracally this is true. (ask me about the Kansas City Study)
     
  4. 30 cal slob

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    wonder how the cops will react to pistol permit review board's "ruling" on no open carry. :barf:
     
  5. Devonai

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    Care to elaborate, 30 cal?
     
  6. Leatherneck

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    Good luck to these citizens. God help them if they ever shoot a thug. The establishment has a long memory.

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  7. Sage of Seattle

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    Good. Then the establishment won't forget the reason the citizens felt the need to arm themselves in the first place.
     
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    Its good to see people being actively involved in their community but I fear that this move will have undo consequences if they actually have to use their weapon, such as being arrested and charged for the shooting, or if not that their permits will be revoked. I do not believe in Connecticut their is a "stand your ground law", in reality they would have to be physically attacked by the criminal before they could pull their weapon. You have understand here in the Northeast, the Police do not like the idea of armed civilians protecting their neighborhood.
     
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    For some reason, this story made think of the comedy spoof "Ghandi II" from that Weird Al Yankovic movie.

    Ghandi II

    Go get 'em rabbi!
     
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    Mayor DeStefano and his cronies have also proposed that the City issue identification cards to illegal aliens so that they can carry on their illegality more conveniently.
     
  11. Don Gwinn

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    Wait, what?
    Did he really say that? The residents are talking about muggings, right? Armed robbery, assault, that kind of thing. I think we can all agree that there's actually a broad consensus that muggings are "inappropriate," don't you?
    He acts like they're patrolling to look for kids necking in cars.
     
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    This is a frightening insight into the mind of many antis who project their own thoughts and feelings onto other people.

    Deep down inside DeStefano (and antis like him) would love to kill people for doing things they don't approve of, like watch FoxNews, eat red meat, drive an SUV, drink non "Fair Trade" coffee out of a Styrofoam cup, or whatever other "sins" the left is always complaining about.
     
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    Translation: We (your government officials) think you are too dumb to look after yourselves. We are pretty sure you'll do something stupid and tragic with those guns you own. So why can't you be good citizens and lock yourselves behind your doors in fear and let us handle things? You know, the smart people.
     
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    The only recipe for disaster is thinking the police will protect you. I am not anti-cop but people must take responsibility for their own protection. Good for them.

    In Vegas a 75 yr-old lady in a wheelchair was beaten and robbed and later died. If only she could have pulled a gun....
     
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    Tourist?
     
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    actually a few days after these cards were issued there was a roundup of illegal immigrants in the city. seems like they just did it so they could find out where all the illegals lived.
     
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    As a former CT resident and most of my family still lives there this bothers me.

    I dont know much about Connecticut law but in Oregon these guys would need to be licensed as private security if they patrol anything more than the property they own.
     
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    very revealing

    Hey, DeStefano! it is a disaster already!

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    "undo" please define???? you don't mean undue, do you?
     
  19. romma

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    No law in Ct against riding a bicycle... Even if you are armed!

    However, use that firearm to stop a crime that is not being perpetrated against yourself, and you will be in for it! It is sad that the people are being denied the ability to thwart criminals in a legitimate manner.
     
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    So an armed man can stand by passively and watch a woman being raped and not face charges? What a world you guys live in up there...
     
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    Titan....

    An armed man not only can stand idly by and watch a woman be raped, but he is legally obligated to not interfere! He'd only face charges if he came to her defense.

    Now i don't know about you, but to me, that just seems like a really bad way to run things, and i really don't understand the mindset of a population which would allow that.

    'Round here, if you come upon a woman being raped and choose to "educate" the rapist as to the error of his ways, the local constabulary tends to be rather appreciative...
     
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    I don't believe if you happened onto a rape scene while armed and stopped the encounter that they would charge you with anything. However, if you were riding around with the intent of looking for rapists, if the cops don't charge you for stopping it, then expect to be sued by someone...
     
  23. 30 cal slob

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    State Police making up the law as they go along.

    Open Carry is legal in CT BUT you risk not getting your permit (which is a permit to possess AND carry in CT) renewed if you raise a ruckus:

    http://www.ct.gov/bfpe/cwp/view.asp?a=1252&q=254186

     
  24. 30 cal slob

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    guys, check your deadly force laws carefully. CT OLR recently did some research on "Castle Laws" in other states and in that analysis summarized lawful use of physical and deadly force:

    http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0052.htm

     
  25. Devonai

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    Thank you very much for the relevant data.
     
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