Riterd General McChrystal weighs in on the AWB...

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I too saw the Daily Show and thought this guy is severely out of touch with reality. Its a real shame to think that minds like his have ever been in a position to command.
Its also a sad fact that many younger people get their information from Jon Stewart. Sounded like he was gonna to start crying as he pontificated about the stupidity of our gun laws.
 
Disgraced former General Mcchrystal did such a good job controlling weapons in Afghanistan, where he had tens of thousands of America's best troops and even more from NATO - he is basically an expert on the subject. :rolleyes:
 
Everyone who reaches the rank of O-7 and above does so because he or she has been groomed from about the rank of O-5 to say the right things and do the right things. They have to be able to demonstrate political savvy to get that far. This has been true pretty much since General Patton openly demonstrated a contempt for his boss's silly decisions.

When a general or admiral falls into disfavor it's because of a temporary slip into thinking for himself and saying something out of school. Stanley McChrystal fell, but this indicates he's trying to recover.
 
Yeah, but with a "recovery" like what he's trying to accomplish, I wonder how he can look himself in the mirror.
 
Enlisted over E-7 and commissioned over (well... all of them now but most importantly) 0-4 have been heavily politicized since the Clinton administration.

No surprise here. What a great way for a has been to get media love. Look, we're talking about him because of it.
 
Disgusted.

The general obviously cares more about being invited to the right wash DC parties again, than he does his oath to support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the United States.

Glad the military is rid of him. He can be a shill for the liberals now.
 
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Retird or Retired (or did you mean returd?) i is close to u on the keyboard.

I think this general is out of step.

Back in the 1960s, when Arthur D. Little was asked to evaluate the civilian marksmanship program, several military officers gave support to civilian training in martial arms.

More recently in Heller several officers supported the right of the people to keep and bear arms and a duty to train in martial arms.

http://www.americanbar.org/content/...07_08_07_290_RespondentAmCu11GeneralsAHSA.pdf
District of Columbia v. Heller amicus curiae of Maj. Gen. John D. Altenburg Jr., etc al.

The amicus curiae brief of Maj. Gen. John D. Altenburg, Jr., et al., in the case of DC v Heller, argued that the individual right of the people to keep and bear arms supports and enhances the collective goal of supporting national defense, and that the dichotomy between individual right and militia right interpretations is false:
The Petitioners and Respondent are asking this Court to select among two mutually exclusive interpretations of the Second Amendment: one establishing an individual’s right to bear arms and, the other memorializing society’s right to organize a force for its collective defense.

Amici suggest that this dichotomy, pitting individual rights against group rights, is not ordained by the language of the Second Amendment, which is a cogent blend of both individual rights and community rights, with each depending on the other.

A well-regulated militia – whether ad hoc or as part of our organized military – depends on recruits who have familiarity and training with firearms – rifles, pistols and shotguns.

Amici suggest that the Second Amendment ensures both the individual’s right to possess firearms, subject to reasonable regulation, and the constitutional goal of collective defense readiness.

Based on decades of military experience, amici have concluded that the District of Columbia’s Gun Law (“D.C. Gun Law”), D.C. Code § 7-2502.01 et seq., directly interferes with various Acts of Congress aimed at enhancing the national defense by promoting martial training amongst the citizenry.

Saying that the Second supports the right of the people to keep and bear arms and supports the goal of collective volunteer defense, is kinda like the argument that the First protects both artistic expression (a private interest) and political discourse (a public interest) by supporting the right of the people to free speech and free press.
 
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Enlisted over E-7 and commissioned over (well... all of them now but most importantly) 0-4 have been heavily politicized since the Clinton administration.

*ahem*

At the risk of accruing some disfavor here, what with my somewhat biased perspective as a retired Chief Petty Officer (E-7) myself, might I point out that this is no more a universal truism than it is to say that everyone who owns a gun is a "gun-nut". (And yes, I know you said "over" E-7.)

Yes, there are retards in the military. That should come as no surprise, because the military is populated with people from all walks of life, having come from our own civilian population...as broad and diverse as that is.

Yes, the military has evolved over the decades. But then, it has always been evolving.

Yes, politics does have a part in that. But then, it has always had a part in it.


But the military, contrary to popular belief, isn't all about the upper eschelons. Have faith in the rest of our troops.

I do.
 
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"And an M4 carbine fires a .223 caliber round, which is 5.56 millimeters, at about 3,000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It's designed to do that. And that's what our soldiers ought to carry."
So, now we have gun control based on caliber? If .223 is too powerful, then everything more powerful should be banned too?

That is a damn good point. I could see that catching on if this godforsaken AWB takes place. That's how it works "we won this battle! Let's keep going!"

Unfortunately most liberals can't see the forest for the trees.. they think "eliminating the 2nd amendment is great!" but they never think that a government that would get rid of one amendment, might just be inclined to get rid of others... like the 1st amendment, the 5th amendment etc. They are setting us ALL up but because of their self righteousness and misplaced panic and they don't even realize it.

"Injustice anywhere, is a threat to justice everywhere"
 
I wonder if he's ever seen what a 7.62x51 NATO fired from a M240B will do to a human, let alone a 12.7×99mm NATO fired from a M2HB.
 
Retired USMC commissioned myself I'd say the General's understanding of the terminal effects of a single 5.56 from an M4 is woefully misunderstood. No disrespect intended but by the time one has reached the upper General grades they of necessity have been removed from active "trigger pulling" for quite a long, long period of time.
 
The Officer Corp in the military is profoundly anti gun. Prior to WW2 and a little past Korea there was support in the Officer Corp for “marksmanship”, etc, but the further you get from WW2 the more anti gun the Officer Corp became.

I have a bud who taught Statistics at West Point. The whole time he was there he tried to convince Army management to open the Officer’s Pistol range. This range existed for a very long time but West Point closed it down as guns were dangerous and they saw no need for an Officer to shoot a firearm.

McCrystal is probably upset after his experience in Afghanistan. All those armed Afghanistan’s shooting up his troops and he could not do a thing about it. Like all control freaks he prefers a nice passive population.

McCrystal showed a total lack of judgment while in Command . He surrounded himself with “ handpicked collection of killers, spies, geniuses, patriots, political operators and outright maniacs.” http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-runaway-general-20100622 It is evident that this guy was a loose cannon and it got him fired.

Still, it is obscene that he is probably making three times as much as a Lobbyist than his overpriced salary as a General.
 
He's just another generals's son who never led a platoon in combat. Is the UCMJ just for enlisted?
 
Everyone who reaches the rank of O-7 and above does so because he or she has been groomed from about the rank of O-5 to say the right things and do the right things. They have to be able to demonstrate political savvy to get that far. This has been true pretty much since General Patton openly demonstrated a contempt for his boss's silly decisions.

General agreement (no pun intended) -- modern US generals and admirals should be treated with the same suspicions until proven otherwise that most thinking people apply to politicians. (Because modern O-7+ types are just political animals, only operating in a different setting -- it isn't the best and brightest, if it ever was, it's the most savvy and well connected.)
 
First of all McChrystal is a criminal -- Obama could have court-martialed him for "Contempt toward officials," among other military crimes.

Do you expect a man like that to honor his oath to uphold the Constitution?
 
You know, a general who faced an armed populace with shifting loyalties knows exactly how tough an armed insurgency can be.

I don't trust a general, former or otherwise who wants to see the populace of his OWN country disarmed.
 
The Officer Corp in the military is profoundly anti gun.

Not true and I'd appreciate it if you didn't make broad generalizing statements, and lump us all in the same boat.

McChrystal is a politician and as such chooses his words very carefully. Now what he said was absolutely incorrect within the context of the discussion. To the uninformed, it would appear that the M16/M4 is the same as an AR15....which it is not. The only functional similarity is caliber and the fact that it accepts a detachable magazine. Having said that, he purposely mislead the audience with his answer to support whatever agenda he has.

A General who voted for Obama should tell you all you need to know. Easily influenced by flash and pie in the sky BS. He of all people should know "hope is not a method" (re: hope and change).

McChrystal does not speak for the Officer Corps I can promise you that. :cool:
 
Got the book from the library and finished it last night. At the end he mentions doing some work for Mrs. Obama. I think he's trying to weasel in with the administration, so expect more gratuitous support of the Presidents agenda.

:rolleyes:
 
What bothers me the most is that Mchrystal knows dang well that an AR is not *easily* convertible to full auto (anything is possible if you have the time, money, and inclination)

He also keeps saying ".223" the military doesn't shoot .223, they shoot 5.56x45mm NATO. .223 is not a military round, firing a nato round in a civilian weapon chambered for .223 can be catastrophic for the firearm. while a 5.56mm chambered weapon can fire .223.

Mchrystal should know that, which begs the question, did he fudge the facts on his interview in order to mislead people?
 
It's a darned shame. His ignorance, or deliberate misinformation, is a shame to see, but I guess it didn't really surprise me seeing him try to grab onto this. If there was a shred of credibility left in him on behalf of any soldiers at all (prior, or whatever), that should have ended it. Either he is really that stupid to believe that about the 5.56, or he deliberately said that stuff, KNOWING that soldiers would realize what a bunch of bs it was, and he didn't care. Nice character.

I dont know this guys background, but if he thinks the 5.56 is devastating, he does not know a whole lot about ballistics. Like someone already mentioned, there are far more "devastating" rounds out there.
 
Honestly, the difference between .223 and 5.56 isn't that much different regarding AR15s. 99% of AR15s are chambered for 5.56 but can fire .223 as well. Also most combat shooting is done on semi auto with the M16/M4 as full auto isn't that useful on an assault rifle. Functionally, the AR15 is only different as it lacks the full auto switch but other than that, it's the same rifle.

These rifles are arms and we have a right to own them, we must defend our right.
 
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