Robinson Arms Sues Remington, Bushmaster, RRA, and Magpul

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To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if it took quite a long time for Alexander arms to figure out what was happening... I don't know anything about patent law, but my guess is its worse than any firearms law in the U.S.,
There aren't very many examples of these rifles floating around for Alexander arms to find, then notice a patent infringement...also they might have been trying to figure out whether or not these other companies even had patents, or who had them first.

I wouldn't be so quick in believing that whoever was posting on the TFL was Alex Robinson.... I'm not saying it was or wasn't, but this is the internet and its not hard to impersonate someone.

But I do know, that regardless of who "invents" it, whoever patents it wins.. end of story... so I guess if Alexander arms was smart and noticed a part they could patent then they could throw some competition under the bus through legal shenanigans.
 
Why are so many folks getting so ****ey with Rob Arms for standing up for what they say they have a patent on?

If they do have a valid patent that is being infringed they have every right to sue for redress, that's what the courts are for.

If you go on trawl through the Magpul ACR patents including the specific BHO/mag release they even cite the Robinson Arms M96 as the previous art.
 
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Why are so many folks getting so ****ey with Rob Arms for standing up for what they say they have a patent on?

If they do have a valid patent that is being infringed they have every right to sue for redress, that's what the courts are for.

If you go on trawl through the Magpul ACR patents including the specific BHO/mag release they even cite the Robinson Arms M96 as the previous art.
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Can you imagine if it was flipped around and Robarm made a product with features blatantly yanked off a patented Magpul design.

Everyone would be cheering over the suit.
 
I'm well acquainted with with individuals who head the Romney camp, he may not be a gun guy but was not a threat to gun rights. That's all I have to say about that and I do not want to cause thread drift, but I'll note my opinion does not come from listening to the media spin doctors. Rob arms was in no way the equivalent of Cooper rifles.
 
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When the AWB sunset in the USA, MA rushed to make sure there was a state law in place which mirrored the federal law and did not sunset. After it passed, Romney held a press conference cheering the passage of this new state law which would continue to ban semi autos with folding stock and flash suppressors in MA.

I consider Romney anti black gun, pro Fudd gun. Overall I think he was one of the better candidates that had a chance to win given the alternatives and how good Romney is in other areas.
 
The slanderous posts against Alex Robinson are baffling. Here's why:

1. Robinson has a PATENT.
2. Instead of slandering Alex Robinson (you're better than that Justin), why not stick to the issue of the lawsuit.
3. I think every post should be deleted that uses the phrase "frivolous lawsuit" WITHOUT explaining WHY the lawsuit supposedly has no merit.

Again, Robinson has a patent. That counts for a LOT in a situation like this. Do you know how hard it is to get a patent?

I've never bought anything made by Robinson because their prices are too high and they can't/won't seem to make enough product to CREATE a demand. I almost never see anything from Robinson in the gun stores. I thought the M96 was a great idea but they never really even got it to market. I hate it when companies are too busy thinking about the "next" project to get the CURRENT project right.
 
The nice thing about property rights in the US is that the little guy has the right to protect his too.

Does RA's lawsuit have merit? I don't think anyone can tell based on the information available. That is what the courts are for.

In the industry where I work, it is extremely common for different companies to be litigating on one issue, and cooperating on other products in other areas. Extremely common. RA selling Pmags is not out of the ordinary.

Whatever happens, it isn't important enough for people with no stake in the fight to get emotionally wrapped up in, which seems to happen every time companies in the firearms industry have a legal dispute. :rolleyes:
 
ny32182 is spot on. It is clear that many post on this thread are written by those with limited legal and/or business experience.
 
What about the guy who invented post-it notes?
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I've forgotten where the rumor started (some movie maybe?), But,There was never a lawsuit or anything of that sort RE: the intellectual property rights etc to Post-its

Both of the guys responsible for the Post-it note (the adhesive inventor, and the product developer who first used it to make his bookmarks stay put), worked directly for 3M. anything they invent(ed) while employed by 3M is the property of 3M. Now both of them received the highest recognition possible within the company, i'd imagine a rather nice bonus. The chemist, Spencer Silver is still working for 3M, 30 years after the successful lauch of the post-it.
 
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I've forgotten where the rumor started (some movie maybe?), But,There was never a lawsuit or anything of that sort RE: the intellectual property rights etc to Post-its

Both of the guys responsible for the Post-it note (the adhesive inventor, and the product developer who first used it to make his bookmarks stay put), worked directly for 3M. anything they invent(ed) while employed by 3M is the property of 3M. Now both of them received the highest recognition possible within the company, i'd imagine a rather nice bonus. The chemist, Spencer Silver is still working for 3M, 30 years after the successful lauch of the post-it.
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Never heard the whole story. As I recall he was trying to develop some type of glue?
 
The patent was filed in 2003 which is the relevant date when the patent is finally granted.
 
Can you imagine if it was flipped around and Robarm made a product with features blatantly yanked off a patented Magpul design.

Everyone would be cheering over the suit.
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Doubt it. It'll be just the same, in reverse. The Magpul fanboys will be cheering, and the Robinson fanboys will be cursing Magpul.
 
Right, I think a lot of the negative opinion against the suit is by those who favor one or more of the companies being sued, but they would have a different opinion if the situation was reverseed. A lot of GSG fans were quite vocal about HK sued GSG and winning.

Patent infringement is a form of theft, plain and simple (assuming it really did occur). There are countless discussions on this forum alone of what lengths people go to in order to protect their stuff from theft. Instead of "stuff," patent infringement is about intellectual technology.
 
Being a Libertarian, I am of course a big fan of personal rights, and the US Patent system is one way to uphold your personal rights. Lets all take a breath, let the courts sort this out and see what happens.
 
Sobriant74, this case is simply bout another company that makes a sub par product trying to use litigation (with strategic timing) to shore up an otherwise bad business plan.

RA is showing that it is no different than ARMS not only through this litigation but through previous actins as well.

I have seen your posting over on XRCforum and you are without question a huge fanboy. That is fan. But maybe you, and others, should take the hint when the rest of the shooting community is against you. Even if RA wins this case they are going to lose big.
 
Azizza dear chap...."Sub par product".....may one ask how many examples of the XCR you have actively used to make such a trenchant statement?

Reading your posts you are a "huge fanboy" for Colt and Magpul but no one's making a huge point about it.

I could equally make a set of points for example about Colt's IP historical litigiousness and how it makes them no different from ARMS.

My suggestion is that this is for the courts to decide if a patent filed over 6 years has worth.
 
Colt Sued BM and I did not support them in that even though I hate BM.
I also love Surefire Products but they have put good companies out of business with their litigation. At least they put out a good product though.

I am far from a fanboy. I support quality products. If Colt started putting out DPMS or BM level rifles I would no longer support them with my wallet or recommend them to others. If Magpul started donating to Anti gun politicians then I would stop buying their products.

The XCR has a bit of a checkered history. And calling it Sub Par may be harsh but isn't exactly far from the truth. There is a reason it has been passed over by serious shooters and the .mil/LE sector. The SCAR or ACR are both much better weapons.
 
RA is showing that it is no different than ARMS not only through this litigation but through previous actins as well.
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Glock suing S&W, Colt Suing BushMaster, Mauser (now HK) sued a lot of folks. Almost every player in this business has had to sue, and been sued by another. IT is the nature of business in America today as it was yesterday. That is how industry properly settle their differences, legally.

But I understand that playing favorites about "who" someone is, is just as American with a certain type Ideology and or maturity.

And calling it Sub Par may be harsh but isn't exactly far from the truth. There is a reason it has been passed over by serious shooters and the .mil/LE sector. The SCAR or ACR are both much better weapons.
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As to problem weapons, Colt, Glock, S&W, BushMaster, Ruger, SIG, HK, etc.... have all built weapons with problems.

The ACR still isn't available as we write and discuss this, so don't put it in the same level as my SCAR.

I have personally seen Colt rifles get US Marine wounded and dead (no it wasn't the powder used either.). Ain't ever seen an XCR get anyone killed.

You have your standards, I have mine.

Go figure.

Fred
 
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