Rock Salt: A Rural Legend?

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When I was a kid many, many years ago, I heard lurid tales of farmers protecting their melon patches and orchards against neigborhood kids by blasting the seats of their pants with rock salt fired from shotguns.
While I never personally knew anyone who either dished out, or received such a blasting, it certainly made a big impression on my young mind. I'm still afraid of melon patches and orchards to this very day! :eek:
Of course, any landowner administering such rough justice today would be sued for millions.
Question: Is there any factual basis for these oldtime rock salt stories?
 
Hey, thanks for the link! It appears the wad would do more damage than the payload.
When I was a kid, shotgun shells were made of paper. The plastic ones didn't come along until I was well into my teens, as I recall.
I wonder what kind of wadding those oldtime paper shells used?
 
I imagine there is some factual basis. There usually is to such tales. In other words, I'm sure someone, somewhere, blasted someone with rock salt. And I imagine it stung a great deal, but that's about the extent of it.

Rock salt is mostly a psychological deterrent. It works by sensory overload. It doesn't just inflict physical pain. There's also the boom, the cloud of salt and smoke which envelopes you, and the visible blast from the shotgun. On paper and in ballistic tests, it may not look like much, but by inducing sensory overload it's much more effective than it sounds. And the term "rock salt" sounds a LOT more intimidating than "dirt" or "grit".

I'm sure it's been done, but probably not since before World War II.
 
The old shells circa 1950's and 60's didn't use plastic wads like most all modern shells do today. They used cardboard and felt wads between the powder and the shot, no shot cup. Felt wads and cardboard wads are still available for loading shells, mostly for old time black powder loads or loads in brass and paper cases. I believe Federal is the only remaining company still producing a paper hull shell. I always like Federal paper shells for shooting trap and they're quite reloadable using an appropriate modern plastic wad.
 
I think you need to load it different.

Simply pulling shot, and replacing isn't sufficient because the smokeless powder needs resistance to do its thing.

More salt and less powder would probably result in a higher velocity.
 
I think you need to load it different.

Simply pulling shot, and replacing isn't sufficient because the smokeless powder needs resistance to do its thing.

More salt and less powder would probably result in a higher velocity.

I would think it's a bit more complicated then that.
Low density, low mass, irregular shape is going to make the salt fly through the air inconsistently - and therefor lose velocity very quickly, not very hard (not nearly as hard as even lead) - it just has NONE of the properties that would make for a good projectile.
 
As a Southern boy, I can attest to the fact, nuttin' tastes better than a watermelon or cantaloupe, fresh picked, tucked inside close to body, exposed to some broken field running, fence defeating and having been busted open on the ground, stump, fence post , well housing...

Salt? It was left "back yonder" with a boom...
 
The old paper shells had two wads, the over powder wad, which was made of a sort of felt or fiber that cushioned the shot and provided a seal to prevent powder gas from getting into the shot column in the barrel and scattering the shot as it exited. The other wad, the over-shot wad, was made of a stiff cardboard that was supposed to break up on firing and thus also not get in the way of the shot. In practice, the over-shot wad did sometimes interfere with the shot column, creating a "hole" in the pattern that supposedly let game get away. (Of course, it also provided an excuse for hunters who missed, but that is another story.)

The sides of the shell were crimped over to retain the wads and shot and the top part of the over-shot wad was printed with the dram equivalent and shot size of the shell.

Another problem was that the shot contacted the sides of the barrel on the way out, and some shot would be deformed, causing it to fall away from the column. One of the first uses of plastic in shot shells was a shot wrapper, simply a piece of plastic rolled into a tube and inserted between the two wads; the effect was of a "cup" which cushioned the shot as well as protecting it from the barrel. An added benefit was that the shot wrapper protected the barrel from the shot, reducing leading.

Finally, the shotshell companies developed the plastic shot cup, which combined the over-powder wad and the wrapper in one unit, and about the same time, the crimped seal, which did away with the over-shot wad. At first, the inside shell base was still a separate part, but then it became part of the shell. Going to plastic made things a lot better for hunters and shooters in most ways, since the new shells were more accurate, shot better, and didn't deteriorate in wet weather like the paper shells did.

Naturally, there was a down side. The old paper shells were degradable and soon disappeared in the dirt and mud of hunting areas. The plastic shells do not, and if not picked up will litter the area forever.

Another, lesser, problem, was that the old paper shells were waxed. When fired, they left a wax deposit in the chamber, and hunters could skip rigorous cleaning in that area. The plastic shells left no wax, and chambers left without cleaning and oiling began to rust. Many hunters blamed some unknown "deposit" from the plastic for rusting chambers; in fact it was the lack of a wax deposit from the paper shells that was to blame.

So, plastic certainly gave us better shotshells. But the shotshell companies weren't totally altruistic. Remington-Peters, Winchester-Western and Federal were all divisions of chemical companies that made (you guessed it) plastic. What better product is there for continued company prosperity than one that is literally blown away.

Jim
 
Here are a couple of pictures that I have had for a while showing the old and new type shotgun shells. I can imagine the salt loads were pretty easy to load. Something in the back of my head says I have seen them in old hardware stores as a kid. Maybe they were just a novelty based on lies told in the back of the store around the old wood stove while chewing BeechNut, smoking a pipe, or dragging on an old King Edward cigar. I can still smell it now and listen for the breaks in the conversation where you could hear a pin drop and nobody minded one bit!
 

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I do not know the loading that was used, and he says it was about 30 yards, but I have definitely seen the scars on the maintenance supervisor at work's leg where he was shot with rock salt about 30 years ago. He still remembers the pain quite clearly and almost freezing to death because it hurt so bad he kept sitting down in the creek and river. His brother backs the story and that he finally went to the emergency room and they picked out the pieces that they could and shot his leg with novacaine in several places.
When I was a kid, my uncle had his jaw cracked when he shot a neighbor's dog at about 35 yards with rock salt. By the neighbor. I don't think the dog was hurt that bad, and it was a source of bad relations for a few years when my cousin and I both took the neighbor's side.
 
When I was a kid, my uncle had his jaw cracked when he shot a neighbor's dog at about 35 yards with rock salt. By the neighbor.

Somehow I could understand why that might get you a shot to the jaw.
 
I would think it's a bit more complicated then that.
Low density, low mass, irregular shape is going to make the salt fly through the air inconsistently - and therefor lose velocity very quickly, not very hard (not nearly as hard as even lead) - it just has NONE of the properties that would make for a good projectile.
Just talking about getting it up to velocity, got to do that first before you worry about what it does outside the barrel.
 
At the ripe old age of 6 or so I ventured on a life of crime. A friend and I thought it fun to steal tomatoes from a garden near his house and eat them.

We were warned by the owner to stay away. That worked for a week or so, then we repeated our felony. Rock salt burns, the noise terrified me, and I ran screaming all the way home.

Mom was tending to me when Pop woke. He was a game warden and worked at night then. After hearing what I had done he told me it served me right for stealing and left the house.

I found out from Mom years later that Pop went to the shooter and broke his face.

I have no idea how far away the shooter was. After an hour or so, I was fine, no damage or pain.

Needless to say, I do not recommend either shooting rock salt or being shot by it......
 
I've heard of railroad men shooting hobos with rock salt back in the 30s. There was somebody around here a couple years back who said it worked on neighbor's dogs and such things.
 
Not a legend to me, I got shot in the ass with rock salt. As I mentioned in this thread, it did break the skin but no real penetration. It felt like I got whipped hard by a wet rope, but then the salt sting; excruciating.
 
As one who was on the receiving end I can tell you rock salt does work and has some range.
My friend's grandfather had a greenhouse and grew vegetables in a field. We started stealing watermelons to spike with rum. One night he caught us and demanded we come out of the field. We didn't move. He came closer and we finally got up and ran.
We couldn't go home and tell our parents so we soaked the salt out in the brackish river. Lots of tears that night.
Who knows how he loaded them but they had enough range to hit us.
 
Just talking about getting it up to velocity, got to do that first before you worry about what it does outside the barrel.

Point well taken - you might be on to something there.
 
I guess if there's a message here I think it's that parents should teach their kids not to steal. If kids don't learn this from their parents then sometimes a little rock salt is needed to provide a stronger message. When I was growing up my dad used to tell me if I ever went to jail he'd never bail me out. Having this message in the back of my mind stopped me from doing alot of stupid stuff and made it easy to not give in to negative peer pressure. I don't envy parents today. Today's laws make it darn near impossible to discipline your kids. When I was growing up 30 years ago it was pretty much the norm if you didn't listen to your parents or were disrespectful you got the belt or got a close look at the backside of their hand. Thanks to these liberals if any parent was to do that today and somebody heard about it or saw it they would have "Child Protective Services" on them so fast it would make their head spin. Under todays stupid laws parents are pretty much limited to making their problem child take a "Time Out" or yelling at them. Meanwhile people wonder why our prisons are so overcrowded. I can tell you why. It's because big government has taken away our ability to discipline our kids, teach them some lessons about life, and instill some positive values in them.
 
I have an idea, why doesn't somebody just load up some and see what it does to a watermelon or something. I don't reload or I would try it myself. Just a thought.
 
When I was growing up my dad used to tell me if I ever went to jail he'd never bail me out.

Dad told me the same thing but he added that I had one phone call and it had better be to home so my mother knew where I was at.

they would have "Child Protective Services" on them so fast it would make their head spin.

I had a pre-teen nephew tell me years ago that if I laid a hand on him it would cost me $500 to get out of jail. I told him I had enough money stashed to get out twice and the 2nd time he saw me I get my money's worth. :evil:

We got along great after that.
 
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