Rogers and Spencer replacement parts?

[HR1851]

I posted this in another forum and moved it to here as it is probably more appropriate.

I recently acquired a Rogers and Spencer revolver made in 1981 - a beautiful London Grey model. The previous owner must not have shot it much because it is in excellent condition. I took it out yesterday for the first time and it was so fun to shoot.

Just in case I break something, a spring or need a new bolt, etc, I'd like to have some replacement parts on hand however they really aren't readily available. I have found different parts on European or Polish websites, but I am wondering if anyone knows if Uberti or Pietta parts might be modified to work in the R&S.

If so, what parts would be modifiable?

Thank you for any help.

 

[Bibbyman]

Try Dixie Gun Works.

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

springs shouldn't be tough to fit.
There are folks that use bobby pins, salvaged random springs from just about anything, and piano wire to make springs for their C&B revolvers.
Many or most of the parts aren't that complicated and could be made up in a hobby shop.

 

[Roverguy]

Euroarms went bust in the early Naughties. There is a story that the tooling for the R&S was sold to a firm in Poland, and I have seen claims, but no proof, that it is set up in a warehouse in Lublin. None of the pieces that break, such as arbor retention swivel, seem to be available any more, but as noted above, springs from other revolvers may be made to fit.

 

[HR1851]

Thanks for the replies. I am looking ahead just in case. I've only ever broken a the bolt stop spring on my Pietta. I don't have a high opinion of Pietta BP revolvers, all my others are Uberti.

I think I just have to take apart my Uberti 44's (1860 Army and 1858 Remington models) and see how close the parts are.

I have found a few of these internals on European websites and may just order them to have, but that will be more expensive than just getting a part and filing it down here and there to fit.

The Rogers and Spencer main spring seems to be quite different than the other repros and the bolt stop spring is also quite a bit longer but the bolt itself seems not too different from the Uberti versions. The hand assembly does seem a little different and really the hardest thing to get, which I don't need now, would be a hammer.

What a fun hobby. Frankly I don't know what I like more, the shooting or the cleaning and maintenance. haha

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Have you tried VTI gun parts?

 

[Navy Six 2]

Well, if someone knows where replacement parts for a Rogers & Spencer can be obtained, PLEASE let me know. I have been looking for awhile and a few places (Dixie, R&S) used to have some, but that has just about dried up. I fortunately ordered a few basic parts from Euroarms just as they shut down. That mainspring is not like anything else I know of. Its a shame, now that the gun is no longer in production there appears to be a resurgence of interest in them. I hope someone considers producing them again. They are generally very accurate and run all day long as that gas ring on the cylinder seems to do a good job keeping the fouling away from the cylinder pin. The original Rogers & Spencers are very popular in France and I wonder if that could be am possible source of replacement parts.

 

[RoyLOak]

I have secured extra parts from several foreign suppliers and the cost is no more than getting them here in the states. There were bolts, bolt springs, hands and mainsprings available a couple of months ago, plus screws, etc..

https://www.armeriatrelles.com/tienda/en/2379-euroarms-rogers-and-spencer?id_category=2379&n=15
https://saguaro-arms.com/eng_m_Gun-parts_Percussion-Revolvers-305.html?counter=1
https://www.peterdyson.co.uk/acatalog/PARTS_FOR_ROGERS_AND_SPENCER_revolvers.html
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index...d/516/name/Rogers+&+Spencer+Revolver?view_all

Hope this helps someone out!

 

[Roverguy]

I have secured extra parts from several foreign suppliers and the cost is no more than getting them here in the states. There were bolts, bolt springs, hands and mainsprings available a couple of months ago, plus screws, etc..

https://www.armeriatrelles.com/tienda/en/2379-euroarms-rogers-and-spencer?id_category=2379&n=15
https://saguaro-arms.com/eng_m_Gun-parts_Percussion-Revolvers-305.html?counter=1
https://www.peterdyson.co.uk/acatalog/PARTS_FOR_ROGERS_AND_SPENCER_revolvers.html
https://www.dixiegunworks.com/index/page/category/category_id/516/name/Rogers+&+Spencer+Revolver?view_all

Hope this helps someone out!

Thanks very much; that was thoughtful. Sadly, no cylinder pin screws at any of the above :-(

 

[hawg]

Euroarms went bust in the early Naughties. There is a story that the tooling for the R&S was sold to a firm in Poland, and I have seen claims, but no proof, that it is set up in a warehouse in Lublin. None of the pieces that break, such as arbor retention swivel, seem to be available any more, but as noted above, springs from other revolvers may be made to fit.

AFAIK Pedersoli bought all of Euroarms tooling.

 

[Ugly Sauce]

and really the hardest thing to get, which I don't need now, would be a hammer.

When or why in the world would you ever need to replace the hammer??!!! Asking for a freind.

 

[AlexanderA]

AFAIK Pedersoli bought all of Euroarms tooling.

I have Euroarms and Pedersoli 1861 muskets, and they are identical. So it must be true that Pedersoli acquired the tooling for at least that weapon.

But Euroarms was really a marketing arrangement. Their "Euroarms" branded 1858 Remington, for example, was made by Armi San Paolo. You would have to know exactly who made what Euroarms product, to be able to trace what became of the tooling for that particular weapon.

 

[hawg]

I have Euroarms and Pedersoli 1861 muskets, and they are identical. So it must be true that Pedersoli acquired the tooling for at least that weapon.

But Euroarms was really a marketing arrangement. Their "Euroarms" branded 1858 Remington, for example, was made by Armi San Paolo. You would have to know exactly who made what Euroarms product, to be able to trace what became of the tooling for that particular weapon.

Euroarms was Armi San Paolo

 

[Ugly Sauce]

Euroarms was Armi San Paolo

AKA "DGG". Which stood for "Dang Good Guns".

 

[Roverguy]

AFAIK Pedersoli bought all of Euroarms tooling.

Yes, and at one time there was literature about a Pedersoli R&S. But they never went to market and a story is that the R&S tooling was subsequently sold to some interests in Poland that never commenced production.

 

[hawg]

Yes, and at one time there was literature about a Pedersoli R&S. But they never went to market and a story is that the R&S tooling was subsequently sold to some interests in Poland that never commenced production.

I've never heard that but that doesn't mean it's not true. I do know Pedersoli sold a R&S for awhile but they got Feinwerkbau to make them. Feinwerkbau also made the early Pedersoli 58 Remington competition model until Pedersoli got Hege to make them. The Pedersoli R&S was built the same as the Feinwerkbau 58 Remington.

 

[RoyLOak]

AFAIK Pedersoli bought all of Euroarms tooling.

The last time I chatted with Pierangelo Pedersoli, he did indicate that they bought the Euroarms tooling and parts. The Rogers & Spencer revolvers parts were sold to various outlets and the remaining rifle parts Pedersoli kept. Even some of the R & S parts I secured came in Pedersoli bags!

As far as the tooling goes, the revolver tooling was shot and, in Pierangelo's thinking, can not be used for new revolvers. Pedersoli has entertained the idea of bringing the Rogers & Spencer back, but all new tooling would be needed, that being the main reason we have not seen any new ones since 2010. The cost would be too high to make the revolver practical again.

 

[Roverguy]

The last time I chatted with Pierangelo Pedersoli, he did indicate that they bought the Euroarms tooling and parts. The Rogers & Spencer revolvers parts were sold to various outlets and the remaining rifle parts Pedersoli kept. Even some of the R & S parts I secured came in Pedersoli bags!

As far as the tooling goes, the revolver tooling was shot and, in Pierangelo's thinking, can not be used for new revolvers. Pedersoli has entertained the idea of bringing the Rogers & Spencer back, but all new tooling would be needed, that being the main reason we have not seen any new ones since 2010. The cost would be too high to make the revolver practical again.

Thank you for that conclusive info. If perchance you come across an arbor pin retention screw (RS08) I could certainly do with one.

 

[hawg]

The last time I chatted with Pierangelo Pedersoli, he did indicate that they bought the Euroarms tooling and parts. The Rogers & Spencer revolvers parts were sold to various outlets and the remaining rifle parts Pedersoli kept. Even some of the R & S parts I secured came in Pedersoli bags!

As far as the tooling goes, the revolver tooling was shot and, in Pierangelo's thinking, can not be used for new revolvers. Pedersoli has entertained the idea of bringing the Rogers & Spencer back, but all new tooling would be needed, that being the main reason we have not seen any new ones since 2010. The cost would be too high to make the revolver practical again.

Good to know. Thanks for the info.

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

Keep an eye on Ebay in "Sporting Goods."
There is a "ROGERS & SPENCER / EUROARMS AXIS PIN RETAINING BAR" and an "AXIS PIN" on now along with some manuals and grips.
Good Luck,
EK

 

[sandy4570]

I broke my R&S hand spring last year and couldn’t found replacement. I resorted to use Bobby pin from a $5 set at Walgreens. There is one YouTube video instruction ( not specific to R&G , I think it was for Rem58 ). I doubt it at first but after 2 years it still hold up well. I have not replace any parts or have anything break yet, keep in mind that this revolver was designed for military service so it would be inherently rugged and reliable from the get goes.I replaced the old cones with Slixshot so it can takes #11 caps . It is one of a few cap and ball repro that take Johnson and Dow paper cartridges without modification to the loading port.