Rohrbaugh sold
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Nothing to take to court but as far as I can tell the sale has been accepted as fact over on the Rohrbaugh forum:
www.rohrbaughforum.com
Those guys are pretty tuned in to Rohrbaugh. Check out the posts by "DDGator" for example...
I'm believing it is true FWIW which is exactly nothing.
www.rohrbaughforum.com
Those guys are pretty tuned in to Rohrbaugh. Check out the posts by "DDGator" for example...
I'm believing it is true FWIW which is exactly nothing.
Lucky Derby
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Lucky Derby
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Perhaps you do not. I do. That is why I said YMMV.
JohnBT
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According to the internet, it's 500 rounds, not 200. 
When I change a recoil spring on a proven pistol I shoot a couple of mags and the gun is ready to go. But I've only been shooting since the early 1950s, so maybe I've just been lucky.
As far as hard evidence that would stand up in court, there's always Mr. Rohrbaugh's statement on the subject. It's not like anyone is asking you to believe Remington.
When I change a recoil spring on a proven pistol I shoot a couple of mags and the gun is ready to go. But I've only been shooting since the early 1950s, so maybe I've just been lucky.
As far as hard evidence that would stand up in court, there's always Mr. Rohrbaugh's statement on the subject. It's not like anyone is asking you to believe Remington.
The user's manual recommends changing the outer recoil spring after 200 rounds:
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/pdf/owners_manual.pdf
But like I said, you can find folks on the Rohrbaugh forum who have run their springs for hundreds of rounds past that and haven't experienced problems.
I am on a new spring, the new spring acted the same way the first spring worked. After 10 rounds of 147gr Winchester Ranger "T" Series - RA9T through the gun with the new spring I am confident it is going to work. I'll put another 10 rounds through it this week.
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/pdf/owners_manual.pdf
But like I said, you can find folks on the Rohrbaugh forum who have run their springs for hundreds of rounds past that and haven't experienced problems.
I am on a new spring, the new spring acted the same way the first spring worked. After 10 rounds of 147gr Winchester Ranger "T" Series - RA9T through the gun with the new spring I am confident it is going to work. I'll put another 10 rounds through it this week.
Nope, but I do know an owner from the Rohrbaugh forum who has been trying to get warranty work done on his pistol for over a month now and has not been able to get through to a real live person.
Also, the Rohrbaugh website is down !
http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/
Arkansas Paul
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What quality are you referring to?
This kind of quality?
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-carry-guns/39426-lowdown-rohrbaugh-r9.html
Where you shoot a gun 150 times and have a problem only for the factory to tell you that you aren't supposed to shoot them that much?
I would certainly hope they wouldn't have that kind of quality after they sold. Hell, how much worse can it get?
Lifetime warranty with the warranty card.
I haven't heard of them refusing to do warranty work, although people can't get to anyone in the service department currently as the factory is being relocated. There are at least 2 people I know of that cannot make arrangements to send their pistols back for warranty work right now, all they've been able to do is leave messages, and their messages have not been returned.
I think Remington should have done a better job for the transition
I haven't heard of them refusing to do warranty work, although people can't get to anyone in the service department currently as the factory is being relocated. There are at least 2 people I know of that cannot make arrangements to send their pistols back for warranty work right now, all they've been able to do is leave messages, and their messages have not been returned.
I think Remington should have done a better job for the transition
Arkansas Paul
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Doesn't matter if there's a lifetime warranty if you have to use it every 150 shots.
That's every range trip for me.
That's every range trip for me.
I was hoping they couldn't botch the transition any more than they did the Marlin transition but the early returns do not bode well for the future.
It's been several years now and Marlin is still all messed up.
Jim Watson
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What with the reference to Seecamp, it is interesting to note that the dual telescoping recoil spring layout is a Seecamp design. It started showing up in all manner of dwarf pistols when the patent ran out.
The original midget centerfire, the Semmerling LM-4, has an interesting provision in the instruction manual:
"Finally, DO NOT PRACTICE EXCESSIVELY with the LM-4. ANY mechanism breaks if it is used long enough. Practice only enough to be thoroughly proficient in the weapon's use. Remember, the sole purpose of having an LM-4 is to save your life under extreme circumstances. Don't risk breakage at a fatally inconvenient time by over-practicing with the LM-4 or, for that matter, with your service gun."
The original midget centerfire, the Semmerling LM-4, has an interesting provision in the instruction manual:
"Finally, DO NOT PRACTICE EXCESSIVELY with the LM-4. ANY mechanism breaks if it is used long enough. Practice only enough to be thoroughly proficient in the weapon's use. Remember, the sole purpose of having an LM-4 is to save your life under extreme circumstances. Don't risk breakage at a fatally inconvenient time by over-practicing with the LM-4 or, for that matter, with your service gun."
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Well, it could degrade to R51 levels. But even then, Remington never told anyone they should forgo practicing with the poorly made guns as a CYA. That's actually comical that the other companies made such suggestions.
Luckily, the guns apparently hurt too much to shoot for anyone to ever reach that number in an outing
Some sooner than others
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JohnBT
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" the gun shouldn't be fired that much as it was meant to be a carry gun and not a regular shooting gun"
A person would have to be completely new to shooting, or really ignorant about the laws of physics, to not figure this out for themself. Let's see, a 12.8-ounce gun like my R9 firing 9mm ammo; range gun or deep cover backup? Do the math and it's obvious which it is.
I learned about light guns from my father back in the '50s and '60s. They don't last as long as their bigger, heavier brothers when shot with the same ammo. Only a seriously misinformed person would buy a gun designed to be as light and small as possible and expect it to be range gun/blaster. Maybe this is rocket science. I didn't think so, but maybe it is.
And don't get me started again on people too cheap to buy springs. Do they whine about having to pay for oil changes in their truck? And tires, you mean to have to buy replacement tires too?
John
A person would have to be completely new to shooting, or really ignorant about the laws of physics, to not figure this out for themself. Let's see, a 12.8-ounce gun like my R9 firing 9mm ammo; range gun or deep cover backup? Do the math and it's obvious which it is.
I learned about light guns from my father back in the '50s and '60s. They don't last as long as their bigger, heavier brothers when shot with the same ammo. Only a seriously misinformed person would buy a gun designed to be as light and small as possible and expect it to be range gun/blaster. Maybe this is rocket science.
I didn't think so, but maybe it is.And don't get me started again on people too cheap to buy springs. Do they whine about having to pay for oil changes in their truck? And tires, you mean to have to buy replacement tires too?
John
I'm not twisting anyone's arm to go buy the R9.
I like mine and I'm glad I purchased it.
My main concern was not being able to get springs while the transition occurred but Wolff really came through... W.C. Wolff Company / Wolff Gunsprings is a great company.
I bought a complete spring set and 5 additional outer recoil springs.
Calls today to Remington c/s didn't reveal anything. The new owners control the NDA and PR. There should have been an announcement, I don't know what they have to gain by delaying the announcement. Just bad planning.
I like mine and I'm glad I purchased it.
My main concern was not being able to get springs while the transition occurred but Wolff really came through... W.C. Wolff Company / Wolff Gunsprings is a great company.
I bought a complete spring set and 5 additional outer recoil springs.
Calls today to Remington c/s didn't reveal anything. The new owners control the NDA and PR. There should have been an announcement, I don't know what they have to gain by delaying the announcement. Just bad planning.
Arkansas Paul
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Thanks a lot for talking to me like I'm a freaking moron. I appreciate that friend.
You can say what you want to but a gun that costs over $1k and is good for 150 shots is an expensive POS. Maybe that's rocket science. Doesn't seem like it to me. Maybe so though.
Smith and Wesson airweights weigh a scant 2 oz more than the Rohrbaughs and they don't come with warnings saying to shoot them JUST enough to get comfortable with them, else you're risking your life carrying them. Now I understand that the 9mm is a higher pressure round than the .38 Spcl but the fact is that it is a very lightweight gun that you can shoot all you want, for 1/3 of the price.
To the OP, I apologize for the thread hijack. I was simply replying to those saying how their extremely great quality was going to go down since Remington bought them. Damn. I guess they'll only be good for 50 shots now.
Not every 200 miles.
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Arkansas Paul
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Gotcha. I mixed it up with the Semmerling warning in the manual.
And you're right about one account not telling the entire story.
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I have a Friend that has both the Rohrbaugh R9 and R380. He told me he has over 2000 round through the 380 with no problems. He has to change the springs with the same frequency as the R9. I have shot both and much prefer the 380. That said, I wonder if there is evidence that the 380 is less prone to some of the problems that the R9 experiences?
How can Remington be taking on any more dept, complexity and boutique activities? To wit:
Their new pistol (R51?) is an unmitigated design, manufacturing, process, marketing and sales disaster. I don't know how they will recover from that one without spending a lot of money for 3-4 years for customer support, design and manufacturing rework, customer satisfaction actions, and repricing and quality improvements to rebuild a skeptical lost fan base;
The R700 trigger recall. How many are there out there and what will be the cost and staffing and process drag to make it right? I'm not sending mine in. I just bought a Jewell and will swap it myself. I MAY just send them the trigger with little hope of them ever figuring out how to fix it (without it being accompanied by a rifle) and then returning it.
And now this? A boutique shop building a small high-margin business. Bought for the patents? Bought for the product? Bought for the sale channels? Bought for the big revenue number? Hint: yes, no, no, no. Except they likely won't use the patents in another project and they may 'think' (some random marketing presentation) that they can 10x the sales numbers. But they can't.
Sigh.
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Their new pistol (R51?) is an unmitigated design, manufacturing, process, marketing and sales disaster. I don't know how they will recover from that one without spending a lot of money for 3-4 years for customer support, design and manufacturing rework, customer satisfaction actions, and repricing and quality improvements to rebuild a skeptical lost fan base;
The R700 trigger recall. How many are there out there and what will be the cost and staffing and process drag to make it right? I'm not sending mine in. I just bought a Jewell and will swap it myself. I MAY just send them the trigger with little hope of them ever figuring out how to fix it (without it being accompanied by a rifle) and then returning it.
And now this? A boutique shop building a small high-margin business. Bought for the patents? Bought for the product? Bought for the sale channels? Bought for the big revenue number? Hint: yes, no, no, no. Except they likely won't use the patents in another project and they may 'think' (some random marketing presentation) that they can 10x the sales numbers. But they can't.
Sigh.
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Walt Sherrill
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Some NEW guns have teething problems. I remember when SIG first brought out their 1911s.... LOTS of problems and complaints.
That doesn't justify Remington's having done a crappy job on their new gun, but it isn't really a big surprise. Stuff happens.
I seldom buy a new gun (even if it's based on an old design) until it's had some time under it's belt.
Will Remington survive. I suspect it will. And I won't be surprised if, a year from now, that new gun is running right. I won't buy one until it is, however.
That doesn't justify Remington's having done a crappy job on their new gun, but it isn't really a big surprise. Stuff happens.
I seldom buy a new gun (even if it's based on an old design) until it's had some time under it's belt.
Will Remington survive. I suspect it will. And I won't be surprised if, a year from now, that new gun is running right. I won't buy one until it is, however.
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+1 on Walt just said. Remington's credibility is on the line and they have to get this right. Obviously they did not over see the quality control of that endeavor and it shows.
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