Romanian 22 bolt action rifle

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I saw a strange looking clip fed 22 bolt action rifle today. I appears to be midline quality. FA1AB075-6F7D-4BFF-B876-853131205FEF.jpeg F15909CE-08BE-4F6B-97CC-BE86AFB76835.jpeg
It appeared to be military with its stepped barrel, heavily pinned front sight, trap door housing a cleaning kit, safety at rear of bolt handle, etc.
I did finally find a stamping under the barrel near the muzzle. It looked like “M989 22 cal Romania”
Anyone ever seen on of these?
 
It looked like “M989 22 cal Romania”
Anyone ever seen on of these?

Yep. Several years ago when they were cheap in good condition, I really considered getting one. I spent the money on something else, though.

Locally there is a nice one for $380. Seems like prices have climbed up quite a bit. I keep looking at it, but someone else needs it more than I do.

That made me rediscover this link today. https://thisoldrifle.com/romanian1969/index.asp

and another https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-romanian-m69-bolt-action-22-rifle-content-contest/
 
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When the Soviet Union sent tanks into Prague in 1968 to put down the Czechoslovakian attempt at independence, Romania responded by forming a Patriotic Guard composed of all men and women willing to serve as a volunteer militia to support Romania's defense. They needed a marksmanship training rifle and came up with the M69 (Model of 1969) cutting corners on external prettiness. Mine has a stock finish like the typical Mosin 91/30 or SKS, reddish lacquer. They shoot better than they look.
 
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I recall when some of them were being imported and heard they are nice shooters. Always wanted to get my hands on one and personally inspect and shoulder it. Except I still haven't come across one, even at a gun show. I heard from an FFL dealer that they imported a bunch and they sold out quickly.
 
Wow! Thanks for all the info!!!!!

Does anyone know where a clip (magazine) might be bought? Probably a very long shot!
 
Wow! Thanks for all the info!!!!!

Does anyone know where a clip (magazine) might be bought? Probably a very long shot!
Love my M69-
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I bought some US-made magazines off Ebay. They fit and feed ok, but only if you restrict them to 4 rounds. There are also Korean produced mags out there for them which Ive heard good things about.
 
I have two M69 Romanian Trainers. The last one I bought, I got for $59. It was marked as a Taiwan 22 rifle.:rofl:
The top one was made in 1984 and the bottom one in 1975. The 84 has a PPS43 sling and the 75 has a Chinese SKS sling.
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Many were imported without magazines. I don’t remember who had the new magazines made, but they were made in Taiwan and Made in Taiwan is stamped on the magazine floorplate. The Taiwan magazines work great.
Check with Outback Gun Parts. (812) 945-0480, they may have some.
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On magazine v clip, I suspect the manual for the M69 Romanian Army Training Rifle referred to the cartridge feed device as a magazine (in Romanian).

Marlin Firearms sold the detachable box magazine for their Model 25 .22 sporting rifle labeled as "Clip".

For military firearms, like my M1 Carbine, ammo is fed from a magazine, and I have stripper clips with spoons for charging the magazines with cartridges.

I have a Carcano that uses enbloc clips that insert completely into the fixed magazine; the clip serves as the feedlips of the magazine.

Back in the 1950s when I was introduced to firearms, IF the only cartridge feed device ever used with a particular rifle or handgun was a detachable box magazine, e.g. Marlin Model 25, and the firearm was never issued with both magazines and clips, the feed device was usually called a clip. One syllable.

If I was calling in an air drop of ammunition, specifying "in clips" when the desperate need was really in preloaded magazines, that would be a big deal. Otherwise, meh.

I bought a M69 with a Taiwan made magazine from a table load at a gunshow for $60. Spare magazines were a sticker price shock. I took the magazine for my M69 and a spare clip for a J22 pistol, built up a hard solder lump on the J22 clip front and filed it to match the M69 magazine seating stud.

The raised rail in the M69 receiver is square cut, resembles a Weaver tip-off 3/8" dovetail scope mount rail, but isn't. I decided it was more robust as an iron sight rifle anyway.
 
The M69 Romanian Training Rifles are one of those very nice bargains that will probably never be available again, like post-WWII carbines and Garrands. I gave $69 for my very nice one and have one spare magazine for it.

It's my "leaning next to the back door" .22 with one magazine containing CCI Velocitors and one containing CCI CB Longs. Handy!
 
Yep. Several years ago when they were cheap in good condition, I really considered getting one. I spent the money on something else, though.

Locally there is a nice one for $380. Seems like prices have climbed up quite a bit. I keep looking at it, but someone else needs it more than I do.

That made me rediscover this link today. https://thisoldrifle.com/romanian1969/index.asp

and another https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-romanian-m69-bolt-action-22-rifle-content-contest/
Second link is great- full of details and history!
Thanks
 
With its long barrel the M69 is very, very, quiet with any of the CCI "CB" type rounds (CB Shorts, CB Longs, Quiet .22). The CCI Quiet .22 is like a CB Long Rifle, 40gr bullet at 710fps, and feeds better in some of my ".22 LR Only" guns than the CB Long.

My M69 does not eject .22 Short cases well. Never got around to testing mine for accuracy with Aguila 60gr SSS because the annoying ejection problem made that not an option.
 
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... I heard from an FFL dealer that they imported a bunch and they sold out quickly.
When you have military guns made for just a few years, there is a limited number available. When imported as surplus they often get sold out for less than they are actually worth. Then more people hear about them, get interested, and the used gun price skyrockets. CZ vz 52 pistol is another example.
 
With its long barrel the M69 is very, very, quiet with any of the CCI "CB" type rounds (CB Shorts, CB Longs, Quiet .22). The CCI Quiet .22 is like a CB Long Rifle, 40gr bullet at 710fps, and feeds better in some of my ".22 LR Only" guns than the CB Long.

My M69 does not eject .22 Short cases well. Never got around to testing mine for accuracy with Aguila 60gr SSS because the annoying ejection problem made that not an option.
I single load shorts in mine with the magazine out. If you open the bolt slowly, they usually fall straight out the magwell. :)
 
Yes they are pretty crude when it comes to finish. And they do not have a true dovetail on the receiver for mounting scopes. It is from the machining process. Though you can use 5/16" or 8mm rings to fit or mod a set of 3/8" rings like I did on mine. One thing everyone that every M69 owner needs to do is totally strip the rifle down and clean clean clean all the cosmoline out of every nook and cranny. I personally would not pay too much for the one in the OP's photo with the paint stock, but that is just me.

I find mine is very accurate with Federal Champion 40Gr round nose ammo. And a good thorough cleaning to remove all fo the cosmoline helped out a lot. I should have bought more of them when they were $69 each.
 
I single load shorts in mine with the magazine out. If you open the bolt slowly, they usually fall straight out the magwell. :)

When I was a teen in the 1960s Uncle Ed on the mountain had a .22 Savage bolt action rifle without a clip, er, magazine. He also had a single shot 12ga. His attitude was that if the first shot missed, the game or pest disappeared in the underbrush. Using a Marlin M99G semiauto tube magazine rifle I hunted squirrel with him, he using his single shot shotgun. For both of us it was one shot, a kill or a miss, no opportunity for a follow up. I did get 8 squirrel with 10 shots one hunt. The main ]advantage of using a magazine fed gun was not having to fiddle with those tiny .22 cartridges between shots.
 
EXCELLENT .22lr's!!

Ive had one forever and make alot of meats with it.
The folding sights are dead on, the sling swivels will need replacing with years of carry. I put on Carcano swivels and a Finn Mosin sling.
The cleaning kit in the buttrap is handy

You can buy spare mag's at "Liberty Tree Collectors" a gunparts online store. Made in Tiawan and work great.

I use a matt brown rustolium spray paint on mine, as I live next to the Ocean and hunt the saltwater alot.

All my kids have a Romy M-69.

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I wish I had bought one when they were available and cheap. Good shooters.
 
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