Ron Paul winning or tied in MSNBC Poll results

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They call Paul Dr. No for a reason. Might be time for a Dr. No in America.

Newsweek Poll is out. Bush now has 28% approval rating (lowest since Carter n 1979). 75% of the country says that America is heading the wrong direction. That known I am starting to see it now. People are really fed up. They elected dems and the dems did not help. Maybe they are looking at who else is out there...

I feel for Bush. He had to deal with the worst act of terror ever in the US. He had to deal with the worst US natural catstrophe ever. I believe he is a good man. These problems were very large.
 
I feel for Bush. He had to deal with the worst act of terror ever in the US. He had to deal with the worst US natural catstrophe ever. I believe he is a good man. These problems were very large.
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Spliting your party in two doesnt help you.....regardless these events.
Growing Govt to solve lifes problems is not conservatism.

This country was founded as a Republic with proper respect for God and individual liberty. Over the past 220 years or so it has devolved into a socialist/facist/communist democracy.
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so true. As for the rest of your post oldfart.......why do you have to bring me down like that.....your right....it sucks...but your right.
 
PressCheck accused,
Ron Paul supporters have been "spamming" the polls.
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Got ANY proof.
Could it be that he has more supporters than you would like.
Empty accusations only sound foolish after the debate.
Ron Paul Wins MSNBC Debate Poll
Ron Paul steps into national spotlight

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 4, 2007

ARLINGTON, VA – Congressman Ron Paul finished first in the MSNBC poll following the GOP primary debate last night held at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California. Dr. Paul received 43 percent, beating the second-place finisher by five points, and crushing the rest of the field.

"Last night, Americans met Ron Paul and loved what they heard," said Ron Paul 2008 campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "Dr. Paul's message of freedom and limited government resonates with Republicans hungry for a return to their party’s core values."

"Ron Paul is the only true conservative in the GOP race. Americans saw that last night," continued Snyder. "The campaign looks forward to further debates and opportunities so even more Americans will discover Dr. Paul's message of freedom, peace and prosperity."
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"Ron Paul is the only true conservative in the GOP race. Americans saw that last night," continued Snyder. "The campaign looks forward to further debates and opportunities so even more Americans will discover Dr. Paul's message of freedom, peace and prosperity."
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Would be nice, then perhaps the Libertarian party would cease to exist if more 'Goldwater Republicans' took over the party.
 
If Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Libertarians endorse him. I've heard that the Constitution Party has already decided to do just that.
 
They call Paul Dr. No for a reason. Might be time for a Dr. No in America.
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We had one - President Grover Cleveland. Calvin Coolidge was another. About 80 years past due for another.

If Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Libertarians endorse him. I've heard that the Constitution Party has already decided to do just that.
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Probably. I am a member, and if I remember right, Paul is still technically a member (the Republican party of texas tried to railroad him when he was first elected for this reason).
 
They call Paul Dr. No for a reason. Might be time for a Dr. No in America.
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I think its long over due.

Would be nice, then perhaps the Libertarian party would cease to exist if more 'Goldwater Republicans' took over the party.
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For a long time I've thought that the greatest chance of the libertarian party's success would be to strip enough votes from the republicans to make them lose elections and fix their party to win us over. Currently it looks like ron paul is the only way either of the 2 major parties would see my vote. If not him I will likely vote 3rd party or abstain.
 
By the looks of it, Ron Paul supporters have been "spamming" this forum for years now, as well as TheFiringLine, DailyKos, RedState, Fark, CapitolHillBlue...pretty much everywhere.
If by "spamming" you mean "overwhelming support that cuts across party lines".
 
Kind of like the Fred Thompson supporters the last few months.

Or maybe people who are very pro RKBA are also pro small government, pro freedom, don't like taxes and know an honest man when they see one.... Tough call.
 
Without commenting on Paul, let's look for a moment why MSNBC (and their normal viewers - the anti-FOX News crowd) might want people to view Paul as the "winner".

MSNBC is being critisized for slanting the event to the detriment of the GOP frontrunner, Guliani (who surely has little support here). According to Dick Morris, the non-front-runners were given more air time and easier questions. He counted the number of words each candidate was allowed in their answers and found both McCain and Romney were given more time to answer.

In raising the stature of your enemy's enemies, the idea is to dilute the Republican vote and prevent emergence of wide popularism. If you believe MSNBC did this, it indicates that MSNBC views Paul as the candidate least likely to win and having the most appeal to the hard right - therefore most likely to provoke dissention in the GOP ranks (moderate and liberal Republicans will never support Paul).

I find that possibility much more likely than believing MSNBC, especially with Chris Matthews front and center, even gave a passing thought to being fair to Republicans. They obviously can't use the debate to let Matthews reveal his fangs, but they can do some subtle things in the structure of the debate to try to weaken it's benefit to the electorate and lessen the GOP's chances of success.

Spreading the GOP support as widely and thinly as possible has many payoffs, particularly in brewing division within the Republican party when "their" candidate is dropped later on. When Paul is left behind later in the race, MSNBC wants as many of you here as possible to be absolutely fedup and stay home and not vote for whoever the frontrunner is. (and <shudder> that is likely to remain Guiliani, especially if pro-gunners "split" between Paul and Thompson.)

If Paul had been viewed as the GOP frontrunner, MSNBC would never attribute him with a debate win and would have "favored" Guliani over him. Remember, they only care that a Democrat win in 2008.

Mike
 
MikeHaas,

Ahh, but then why doesn't FOX tout Paul as the victor in the debate? To date, the only pseudo-mainstream commentator I've actually heard admit that Paul had the best showing is John McGlaughlin on the McGlaughlin Group.

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[tinfoil] Only Ron Paul supporters vote in polls like this and send links to other Ron Paul supporters. Therefore Ron Paul gets a disproportionate amount of votes on Internet polls and always appears to win.

There are NO other supporters of other candidates that will vote on Internet polls, so therefore the polls are skewed. The Internet is run by Ron Paul supporters.

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Maybe the reason Ron Paul seems to get increasing support might be attributed to Occam's Razor. People actually like the guy.
 
I'm a Ron Paul supporter - but I will admit I have a feeling PressCheck is right. That's not to say it's a bad thing though. It certainly will raise awareness as he doesn't seem to be getting much from the pres compared to the "main runners".

If we can generate enough interest that the press will give him some time, we'll have helped. These elections are won in the media and press these days more than anything else, so anything that we can do to get him in the game is good.
 
Another couple of points:
Is it merely coincidence that in the specific poll that started this thread, only one of the candidates listed happened to not be given a full-face picture?
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Is it merely coincidence that ABC News ran a similar poll and included everybody who was there as an option...except Paul?

Is it also a coincidence that ABC News just happens to not list Ron Paul as a political candidate at all?

This all seems very intentional to me, and I'm not the type to break out the Reynold's Wrap.
I'll tell you what I think it is (although this is all really speculation): All of these media outlets have corporate owners and all of the candidates are beholden to their corporate sponsors...except one. It is in the interest of the parent companies to push candidates that they can control. Only one of the candidates doesn't fit the bill.

Thinking about it a little more....isn't it odd that many of you would never have known that Paul had won that debate unless you happened to see it yourself or read it here?
 
Between the fact that supporters were able to get ABC to change the poll..... and since doing so, he has nearly 5000 votes (is at the top by a long shot), it will get the media thinking.

It's a fluke for the moment, but it will get them thinking, "Who is this Ron Paul guy?"

good stuff. and GoSlash27 may be on to something.
 
MikeHass - That is the most convulted piece of anti-logic I have heard in a long while.

1st- Ron Paul = Hard Rght?? When you look at all of Paul's stances this makes no sense. Hard right wing wants to legislate morality. Paul wants none of it.

2nd - MSM wants to elevate his status by declaring him the winner and then ignoring him??? They did NOT declare him the winner. They took a poll. People choose Paul. MSM then ignored Paul. This elevates Paul HOW?

3rd- When all else fails the debate was rigged? Several people were ignored. The biggest patsy was probably Gilmore from my POV. And yes I watched it.
 
I actually have talked to alot of folks who like Paul. Those dissaffected Republicans who never quit being AuH2O folks.

They don't think he has a shot in hell, but they are willing to vote for him simply because they don't like the others.

I think the Ron Paul Campaign discovered something very important that no one wants to acknowlege. Moderates who normally wouldn't give him a second look are so mad (because they along with the Traditionalists dislike this war, otherwise explain Bush's ratings), they'll vote for a Republican offering something other than the war.

They know that nothing else Paul is talking about can happen. They know that a Democrat will most likely win, but they would like to show up and support a Republican.
 
Ron Paul still at 0% http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/republican_presidential_nomination-192.html

And in the only poll he ever registered at all, CNN--rounding up I'm sure-- he was once at 1%, and fell to zero after the debate. These would be the real "scientific" polls, from far left to far right. Still subject to manipulation, but not like the vote as many times as you feel like it internet things.

Trying to imagine what kind of people you folks hang out with for you to believe that "Ron Paul attracts moderates." What a laugher.

Liberatarian Lyindon Laroche usually got at least 2%.
 
"I'll tell you what I think it is (although this is all really speculation): All of these media outlets have corporate owners and all of the candidates are beholden to their corporate sponsors...except one. It is in the interest of the parent companies to push candidates that they can control. Only one of the candidates doesn't fit the bill.

Thinking about it a little more....isn't it odd that many of you would never have known that Paul had won that debate unless you happened to see it yourself or read it here?"

Now we're getting somewhere. :thumbsup:
 
ying to imagine what kind of people you folks hang out with for you to believe that "Ron Paul attracts moderates." What a laugher.
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There seems to be a lot of self delusion about Ron Paul on this site. People should support him all they like, but thinking internet polls actually are scientific proof the Ron Paul is loved is really stretching reality.
 
I don't think he is "loved" because too few are aware of the ideology he espouses.

There should be near 100% support for his ideology here, but I've been incorrect much more than once in my life.

I am also certain that he's our "last best chance".
 
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