Ar180shooter
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I was shooting my 10/22 at 100 yards on Sunday, and was really disappointed by the accuracy. It wasn't until I got home that I realized the action screw was loose, and then I felt dumb, lol.
"Ruger 10/22 not accurate"
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blues picker
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why is everyone feeling the need to brag on their bolt gun in this thread? its about the 10/22
steveo452
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Blues Picker. What this post is about is accuracy in a stock lightweight sporting 22. rimfire rifles. Now accuracy is subjective. If somebody thinks one inch plus groups at 75 feet is accurate, so be it. But I personally dont think so. I didnt post my targets to brag, the fact that you think I did certainly tells me something (thanks, i'll take the compliment). The reason I posted them was to show a baseline as it we're, of what accuracy really is in a lightweight sporting rifle. I own two ruger 10/22 rifles, one is customized, the other 100% stock. Neither of them can shoot with my stock CZ 452, when it comes to "accuracy". How ever they are nice plinking rifle's.
P.S - If the OP wants to use adjectives like "Preach" and "Nonsense" he needs to find a much better target to post.
P.S - If the OP wants to use adjectives like "Preach" and "Nonsense" he needs to find a much better target to post.
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I was wondering the same thing. Let's stay on topic.
Keep talking nonsense, you're just the ilk this post was intended to silence...That target looks just fine to me. Perhaps you can't read very well, but those are four separate groups shot between scope adjustments. I'd call one ragged hole at any range a good target and there are basically four of them on that target with many other rounds going through the white space.
Now how about keeping the thread on topic.
JohnBT
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Well sign me up as one of his ilk.
I've always liked the word ilk. It needs to be used more. Is the topic of this thread how to insult people?
John
I've always liked the word ilk. It needs to be used more. Is the topic of this thread how to insult people?
John
Driftertank
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Ilk... lulz.
Yes, accuracy is subjective. I consider accuracy sufficient to hit small rodents at 100yds to be...er, sufficient.
Some people think if you can't castrate a fly at that range, you're rifle is garbage. Left to my own devices, i cannot effect enough accuracy to perform such surgery, so asking that my rifle does so seems silly.
Mine is accurate enough for me.
Trigger is crap, though.
Yes, accuracy is subjective. I consider accuracy sufficient to hit small rodents at 100yds to be...er, sufficient.
Some people think if you can't castrate a fly at that range, you're rifle is garbage. Left to my own devices, i cannot effect enough accuracy to perform such surgery, so asking that my rifle does so seems silly.
Mine is accurate enough for me.
Trigger is crap, though.
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a cz 452 along with most other bolt guns are supposed to shoot like that. It would be a surprise if it didn't. Now you have a 10/22 right out of the box that does and thats a nice surprise. Mine does with match ammo and its just luck of the draw and it is a rare thing. Just a shame to me that a lot of people never even shoot their 10/22 before they start throwing parts on it.
steveo452
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HKguns, Attempts to silence people in this conutry tend to have the opposite effect. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable Where It's more popular. As to your personal attack. I read just fine, thank you. Apparently better than you shoot. Have a good day comrade.
sappyg
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steveo452;8190243 [B said:
Yes.... Yes you did. Moreover, you took the entire thread out of context and made it something completely different.
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"HKguns, Attempts to silence people in this conutry tend to have the opposite effect. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable Where It's more popular. As to your personal attack. I read just fine, thank you. Apparently better than you shoot. Have a good day comrade."
Really?.... Really dewd? that was completely uncalled for.
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JohnBT
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When I opened the thread what was the first thing I read...
"This is for those of you who preach the nonsense "
Okay, a thread about me.
(I already had a Marlin Mountie when the 10/22 was introduced and didn't see a need for it in my life. I wanted my uncle's Browning Auto 22 if I had to have an autoloader.)
The very first statement was a challenge akin to waving a red flag at a bull. "This is for those of you..." What kind of reaction did the OP expect?
The thread could have been about "Does your 10/22 shoot as great as mine?", but it was really about "those of you" and not the gun.
"This is for those of you who preach the nonsense "
Okay, a thread about me.
(I already had a Marlin Mountie when the 10/22 was introduced and didn't see a need for it in my life. I wanted my uncle's Browning Auto 22 if I had to have an autoloader.)The very first statement was a challenge akin to waving a red flag at a bull. "This is for those of you..." What kind of reaction did the OP expect?
The thread could have been about "Does your 10/22 shoot as great as mine?", but it was really about "those of you" and not the gun.
I had a late 90's stainless steel 10/22. It never shot like what the OP posted and was one of the few rifles I can actually say I shot better than. I did a few "mild" mods to it and tried a bunch of different ammo but nothing did the trick for me. Also the rotary mags were never quite reliable enough. Instead of trying to dump more money into it to make it a better shooter I just sold it and got a CZ452 which shoots great.
I'm glad there are some good shooting 10/22's out there. I wish mine was one. If I were the OP I wouldn't sell or modify that rifle.
I'm glad there are some good shooting 10/22's out there. I wish mine was one. If I were the OP I wouldn't sell or modify that rifle.
kcshooter
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I have a 2006 Remington 597 that will outshoot the 2004 (maybe as early as 2002) produced 10/22 all day long.
The Remington was far more finicky out of the box however. That was not difficult to correct.
I have a Marlin 60 from the 90's that will outshoot them both, accuracy and reliability.
It's also a matter of ammo. They each have their preferred rounds.
Someday I'll modify the Ruger and make it a tack driver. But out of the box, it follows the rule of the nonsense preachers.
I'm so ilk.
The Remington was far more finicky out of the box however. That was not difficult to correct.
I have a Marlin 60 from the 90's that will outshoot them both, accuracy and reliability.
It's also a matter of ammo. They each have their preferred rounds.
Someday I'll modify the Ruger and make it a tack driver. But out of the box, it follows the rule of the nonsense preachers.
I'm so ilk.
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10/22 at 242yds
Had my 19yo son to the range this morning for some long range .22lr shooting, 242yds at a 12" sq steel plate. After dialing the scopes in close enough (max elevation) to get into the mil dots. Even with the wind and wind correction using the dots, hitting the 12" sq plate 4 of 5 with the 10/22 Stock Target or 5 of 5 times in a row with the CZ452 Varmint was common. His final string with the 10/22 Target was 5 shots as fast as he could get on target yeilding 3 of 5 hits. We went through close to 300rds of ammo... GREAT FUN. Don't tell me 10/22 are inaccurate, and this one has the 'plastic' trigger group.
Had my 19yo son to the range this morning for some long range .22lr shooting, 242yds at a 12" sq steel plate. After dialing the scopes in close enough (max elevation) to get into the mil dots. Even with the wind and wind correction using the dots, hitting the 12" sq plate 4 of 5 with the 10/22 Stock Target or 5 of 5 times in a row with the CZ452 Varmint was common. His final string with the 10/22 Target was 5 shots as fast as he could get on target yeilding 3 of 5 hits. We went through close to 300rds of ammo... GREAT FUN. Don't tell me 10/22 are inaccurate, and this one has the 'plastic' trigger group.
Attached is a copy of my "Prove-It" submittal fired with my Shilen-barreled, Clark extractor, glass-bedded and home-smithed, older 10-22 "Deluxe" factory stock. Before getting the Shilen barrel, the best groups from the factory barrel were 5/8"-3/4". The average group size of .37" for 10 consecutive groups is as good as most target rifles can do.
The rifle has also shot several 250s on the USBR target at 25 yards in a rimfire postal benchrest competition.
Group #2 at 0.191" is one of the best I've ever shot with it.
Check out the "Prove-It Submittals" by Googling it. It's as good a comparison of rifle/ammo performance as there has ever been. It's closed to new sumittals.
The rifle has also shot several 250s on the USBR target at 25 yards in a rimfire postal benchrest competition.
Group #2 at 0.191" is one of the best I've ever shot with it.
Check out the "Prove-It Submittals" by Googling it. It's as good a comparison of rifle/ammo performance as there has ever been. It's closed to new sumittals.
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MCgunner
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Mine shoots 1.5" at 50 yards, iron sighted, with bulk ammo. That's plenty accurate for me. I just wanted it for a plinker, field gun, sans scope. I have scoped .22s. My old Remington 512 bolt gun I got 50 years ago for my 9th birthday will shoot those 1.5" groups at a full 100 yards on a windless day with cheap Federal bulk ammo. Half that with RWS Target which it really likes. I mean, there's accurate and then there's accurate, and that old Remington isn't exactly a target rifle.
Funny thing, while my 10/22 shoots those 1.5" groups at 50, it's little brother Mk 2 standard pistol with 2x scope will shot one inch at 50 yards with bulk ammo, outshoots the rifle.
I did get rid of that barrel band with a Hogue stock. I'd like to put a Volquartsen sear in the gun at some point, really helped my Remington 597 magnum, all I'll do to it, I reckon. Sorta like it for a knock about .22 as is.
Funny thing, while my 10/22 shoots those 1.5" groups at 50, it's little brother Mk 2 standard pistol with 2x scope will shot one inch at 50 yards with bulk ammo, outshoots the rifle.
I did get rid of that barrel band with a Hogue stock. I'd like to put a Volquartsen sear in the gun at some point, really helped my Remington 597 magnum, all I'll do to it, I reckon. Sorta like it for a knock about .22 as is.
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MCgunner
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JohnBT, you take things too seriously, methinks.... I know the 10/22 isn't an out of the box tack driver, but it's pretty accurate and quite a good little gun IMHO. I have more accurate rifles and even pistols. NOTHING out shoots my 10" scoped TC Contender with the match .22 barrel on it, nothing I own, anyway. Put Eley 10x in that thing and you can knock a tick off a bull's butt at 50 yards and never disturb the bull.
I know the 10/22 isn't an out of the box tack driver, but it's pretty accurate and quite a good little gun IMHO. I have more accurate rifles and even pistols. NOTHING out shoots my 10" scoped TC Contender with the match .22 barrel on it, nothing I own, anyway. Put Eley 10x in that thing and you can knock a tick off a bull's butt at 50 yards and never disturb the bull. Art Eatman
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The 10/22 seems like a strange little critter. I had one which didn't shoot groups; it shot patterns. I tried this ammo and that ammo and then other ammo. After maybe ten different types and brands, I tried HydraShok. Dang! Quarter-sized groups at 40 yards!
Oh, well, whatever works...
Oh, well, whatever works...
JohnBT
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"JohnBT, you take things too seriously, methinks...."
But you agree with me.
"Funny thing, while my 10/22 shoots those 1.5" groups at 50, it's little brother Mk 2 standard pistol with 2x scope will shot one inch at 50 yards with bulk ammo, outshoots the rifle."
The Ruger pistol outshoots the Ruger rifle. The pistol has fans, the rifle has worshippers. Go figure.
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But you agree with me.
"Funny thing, while my 10/22 shoots those 1.5" groups at 50, it's little brother Mk 2 standard pistol with 2x scope will shot one inch at 50 yards with bulk ammo, outshoots the rifle."
The Ruger pistol outshoots the Ruger rifle. The pistol has fans, the rifle has worshippers. Go figure.
John
JohnBT
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Art, that's a lot of work to get a 1-inch group. A quarter is 0.955 inches in diameter. But .22s are odd little things and they like the ammo they like.
I've shot a lot of guns that shot worse, but they weren't objects of cult worship.
I've shot a lot of guns that shot worse, but they weren't objects of cult worship.
MCgunner
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I resisted getting one for a long time. I mean, it seemed everyone HAD to have one and the tacticool CRAP out there is just amazing. BUT, I kinda like the little thing, compact, shoots "minute of squirrel" at 50 yards, good 'nuf for a field rifle, never take even a CLUB competition, but not every rifle I own has to be competition accurate. Hell, I've got two SKSs and even took a deer with one of 'em. I own 3 hunting rifles that are MOA or better accurate, but I kinda like the SKSs, not sure why, just do. They're reliable and, catch phrase, ACCURATE ENOUGH for what I intend for them.
I really don't get the adding 300 bucks worth of target barrels and stuff to a 200 dollar rifle when my 50 year old Remington 512X would STILL out shoot the thing with RWS Target ammo. But, hey, to each his own. I LOVE the rotary magazine, so easy to load compared to some mags I've had in autoloaders and 100 percent reliable and cheap to buy extras. The gun is reliable to a fault, but no, it'll never go head to head with most bolt guns or even most Marlin M60s in the most local of .22 benchrest competitions, not out of the box. Me, I don't care. It's "minute of squirrel" accurate, all that matters for what I wanted of it.
I do agree, there's a cult around the 10/22. I'm not a cultist, but I do like shooting the thing and, hell, it was only 150 bucks and, well, I have a thing for stainless field guns.
I really don't get the adding 300 bucks worth of target barrels and stuff to a 200 dollar rifle when my 50 year old Remington 512X would STILL out shoot the thing with RWS Target ammo. But, hey, to each his own. I LOVE the rotary magazine, so easy to load compared to some mags I've had in autoloaders and 100 percent reliable and cheap to buy extras. The gun is reliable to a fault, but no, it'll never go head to head with most bolt guns or even most Marlin M60s in the most local of .22 benchrest competitions, not out of the box.
Me, I don't care. It's "minute of squirrel" accurate, all that matters for what I wanted of it.I do agree, there's a cult around the 10/22. I'm not a cultist, but I do like shooting the thing and, hell, it was only 150 bucks and, well, I have a thing for stainless field guns.
MCgunner
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If you want a full adult sized auto rifle in . 22, there isn't much out there that fits me as well as my Remington 597. Mines a magnum model. I'd read all the bad stuff about magazines and FTFs and such on the gun, but mine's quite reliable and 1.5 MOA accurate with CCI maximag. I've not tried much variety in the gun, think I can maybe find something to make it a 1 MOA shooter, but just haven't messed with that, a project on hold. It fits like a real rifle, though, and is heftier than the 10/22, though not exactly "heavy". I have a Bushnell Trophy 3x9x40 on it. I traded a guy out of it, didn't really want it based on net reputation (I've learned to ignore most net reputation since) and what I figured was sort of a worthless caliber, .22 WMR, but I wanted the little 70cc mini motorcycle I traded for it less. Once I'd fired it, I decided I'd keep it. I put a Volquartsen trigger in it which it needed. That greatly improved the rather heavy trigger, worse than the 10/22 by far. Now, it's a dandy.
I put a Volquartsen trigger in it which it needed. That greatly improved the rather heavy trigger, worse than the 10/22 by far. Now, it's a dandy.Alright, I said I'd post a 50 yard target. I'm still happy with the accuracy of this rifle at 50 yards based on the target below. This was moderately fast firing, not slow and not rapid fire. There are 10 rounds in this target, I'd sure call this one minute of tree rat at 50 yards. All of the targets posted have been shot with Federal Bulk ammo.
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hardluk1
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hkguns I don't know how many ammo brands and sub types you have tried but .22lrs do tend to have favorates. They do tend not to be accurate as in 1" or less at 50yards. But they can be tuned a bit. Clark customs will take your barrel and recown it and rechamber with a tighter match chamber,no more stingers. There work tends to cut groups by 50% or close to it. They also can tune your trigger down to 2 1/2lbs if you send in your trigger assemble with the barrel. At times they have offered bundle priceing . That can make for a enjoyable stock rifle that only you will know why it shoots so well. Its not cheap but is worth while for some.
Makes a good hunter too. You can hit a tree rats head instead of hopeing to hit anything.
Most of us go nuts with the aftermarket but do end up with some accurate rifles capible of 100 yard groups under 1moa.
Makes a good hunter too. You can hit a tree rats head instead of hopeing to hit anything.
Most of us go nuts with the aftermarket but do end up with some accurate rifles capible of 100 yard groups under 1moa.
Yeah, I've not tried anything, recently, other than the Federal bulk pack ammo. Growing up I shot mostly CCI mini-mags through it and it did well for me back then.
I'm curious to try some newer CCI bulk as well as a few match varieties to see how it shoots with those loads. I'm really more than satisfied with its performance with the bulk stuff though....Just interested to see what I can squeeze out of it without any modifications. I can see where the trigger might make my groups better as well, but I don't want to change anything from stock.
I'm curious to try some newer CCI bulk as well as a few match varieties to see how it shoots with those loads. I'm really more than satisfied with its performance with the bulk stuff though....Just interested to see what I can squeeze out of it without any modifications. I can see where the trigger might make my groups better as well, but I don't want to change anything from stock.
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